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Monster Energy Supercross: Detroit, is it time for change in Supercross?


Chris Cooksey

Monster Energy Supercross: Detroit, is it time for change in Supercross?

The 12th round of Monster Energy AMA Supercross concluded in Detroit leaving behind some hard to ignore layout deficiencies on the Ford Field.  While the series progresses to St. Louis I find myself asking more questions about the overall structure of the series (as it continues to grow and become more mainstream) and less questions about who will or will not be crowned the champion.  At the pinnacle of Supercross why was there not enough dirt to cover the stadium floor and how did the stadium floor start peeking through after only 2 laps in the first 250 heat?  Is it time to look at different track building techniques?  Here are some different ideas :

 

 

 

Another series challenge is the need of updated timed qualifiers.  I would like to see the top 20 timed qualifiers split in the heats.  Rewarding the top half of the field, top 10 in each heat get a 2 second advantage over the other half of the gate, prevents slower guys from becoming moving road blocks.   The rest of qualifying should follow suit, if you don't qualify out of the heat or win your semi, during the Main event you take off in the second wave.  Again, this will reward the top qualifiers.  This will also give us the elite matchups in the front of the field, Dungey vs Tomac and the moving roadblocks like Alessi and Friese won't be in the way.  Every other major form of racing rewards fast qualifying.  This will also make the first turn far safer, and while it's cool seeing 22 of the worlds fastest 450’s funnel into a couple lines, the bikes are too fast and have outgrown the current starting procedure.  This will help keep the stars healthy and on the track, but still maintain the  entertainment factor.

The final issue in review is how quick the riders figure out the fast lines.  With dartfish and overlapping video these teams have taken out the guesswork of finding the fastest line.   If part of the track was not opened until the night program, riders may have more difficulty discovering the fasted line before the race has started.  Give the guys a hot lap and then turn them loose!  While this doesn’t seem to promote safety, it rewards riders who can learn new sections quickly, making the series more interesting as we will see different rider’s skills outside of dirt preference.  Also, the much debated “chase” format has been discussed and in this era of short attention spans, smart phones, and instant gratification we have lost the appreciation for a season long war.  If we want to attract a new generation of fans, we need to up the intensity and make sure the champion is not crowned halfway through the series (like Dungey in 2016), we can't count on Eli making it interesting every year.

These are just a couple things I feel need to be addressed for the future of Supercross, what do you think?  Should we add a shark pit or have riders change a tire for starting position? Let me hear your ideas.

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"the bikes are too fast and have outgrown the current starting procedure."

 

Simple.    Eliminate the holeshot start device, which will make it far more difficult to prevent wheelies.

They were initially a great "advantage", but that advantage is gone since every Tom, Dick, and amateur Harry has one now.

No switch adjustable mapping to allow better traction off the starts.   

 

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you can almost predict what the next track will look like its rather sad! all that dirt and you cant hire someone who could make a master piece! dirt works guys are a joke now

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12 hours ago, DethWshBkr_ said:

"the bikes are too fast and have outgrown the current starting procedure."

 

Simple.    Eliminate the holeshot start device, which will make it far more difficult to prevent wheelies.

They were initially a great "advantage", but that advantage is gone since every Tom, Dick, and amateur Harry has one now.

No switch adjustable mapping to allow better traction off the starts.   

 

I agree witj getting rid of the starting device, but if they did that one brand would holeshot every race. 

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I was going to ask the same thing.    What brand would holeshot every race?
Why?

If thats the case, perhaps the other manufacturers need to keep up.   A "guaranteed holeshot" would be a great selling point to the general racing public!

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I thought the track in that particular spot was extremely hard packed dirt, not the plywood showing through?? Due to the moisture coming out of the track over the day. 

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9 hours ago, redrider144 said:

Explain por favor.

One team has an ignition that gives the riders the ability to start a gear higher and then changed the timing as it goes down tje front straight to control spin. 

 

There's more to it but I'm on my phone so if you have more questions I'll answer later

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I address mapping changability in my OP.  

 

I'm actually a little surprised that doesn't violate 1.15(a).   Is it something they can return to and do again, or is it a 1 time shot during a race.   If it's 1 shot, that should be a violation of 1.15(a)

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I would like to see supercross completely change the format. Something like Monster Cup would be better. 3 10 lap motos of top 20 riders for 450 2 10 lap motos for 250 instead of all the heats and semis and LCQ's. Only top qualifiers make it to the night show. And like NASCAR have a series the day before for 2 strokes 125/250 2 moto format for up and coming racers at select events the top riders get a 1 moto main event on Saturday 

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No practice! If I can race 60 to 100 miles through the desert at break neck speed without practice or pre-running I think they can probably handle learning the track in the heat of battle.

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11 hours ago, Redhooktn said:

No practice! If I can race 60 to 100 miles through the desert at break neck speed without practice or pre-running I think they can probably handle learning the track in the heat of battle.

Thats a really stupid idea...

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all they need to do is ban four strokes, simple as that... ; ) In all honesty. They can't let technology take over the sport. That will kill it for me. The beauty and heart of it all is watching the most talented riders in the world master their machine without the help of mapping, timing and all that sort of stuff, and trying to do so yourself. Thats the fun of it! knowing when to shift, clutch, brake, body position, throttle control! I know it still takes a lot of talent to ride even with the new tech, but it does take away from the core of things in a way. IMO

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I would like to see supercross completely change the format. Something like Monster Cup would be better. 3 10 lap motos of top 20 riders for 250/450instead of all the heats and semis and LCQ's. Only top qualifiers make it to the night show. And like NASCAR have a series the day before for 2 strokes 125/250 2 moto format for up and coming racers at select events.

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Plenty of good ideas...

- no holeshot device is a good one.

- restricted tech use. (Adjustable mapping)

- more motos shorter laps most can go fast for 10 laps plus a joker. The best racing is up to 10 laps usually.

- a Friday program for 125's and 250 2t. maybe Friday pro qualifying for sat show.gives the arena 2 days of supercross attendance. 

- bigger focus on making Nationals a better program.

 

 

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how about 250 2 strokes racing in 250 class and 450cc 2 strokes (i know they dont exist but it would be easy to make one) racing against the 450f's

 

That show it should be, 2 strokes have a major power and weight advantage, let them have it. 

 

They wont because of EPA crap and 4 stroke sales would prettymuch end completely

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10 minutes ago, HondaWoodsRider171 said:

how about 250 2 strokes racing in 250 class and 450cc 2 strokes (i know they dont exist but it would be easy to make one) racing against the 450f's

 

That show it should be, 2 strokes have a major power and weight advantage, let them have it. 

 

They wont because of EPA crap and 4 stroke sales would prettymuch end completely

An equal displacement sized engine 2t would crush a 4t so they can't. 

My last years of motocross racing i had no issues running with the 450s on my yz250.

My daughter now races her yz125 in the 250 class and she has many wins and almost always a top 3 or 4 place finish.

This year she will be on a 250 in the 450 class.

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On 3/31/2017 at 1:00 PM, TimeToStartRidingAgain said:

An equal displacement sized engine 2t would crush a 4t so they can't. 

My last years of motocross racing i had no issues running with the 450s on my yz250.

My daughter now races her yz125 in the 250 class and she has many wins and almost always a top 3 or 4 place finish.

This year she will be on a 250 in the 450 class.

Exactly, a 250 2 stroke would destroy a 250f. 2 strokes are better. 

 

It would be fair that they use equal displacement instead of shunning 2 strokes for their major advantage. 

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5 hours ago, HondaWoodsRider171 said:

Exactly, a 250 2 stroke would destroy a 250f. 2 strokes are better. 

 

It would be fair that they use equal displacement instead of shunning 2 strokes for their major advantage. 

But the manufacturers want people to buy 4 strokes because they cost more and blow up frequently and then they can sell them many expensive parts to.

Four strokes are a huge cash cow for bike makers.

So they push them.

Money money money.

And so many people fall for their marketing gimmicks and buy a 4t bike its pay day everyday for the makers.

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I read in MXA that FIM Europe is opening the 250 class to 2T. I don't remember if that was SX or MX or both. I would love to see 500cc 2 strokes come back. I raced MX on a Husky 500CR back in the 80's and it was awesome. Having had a KTM 450 XCRW, the 500 CR was definitely more fun. I raced hare scrambles on a 300 XCW for 3 yrs in Virginia, before moving west and needing a four-stroke for desert stuff. As much fun as my 300 was for technical/off-road stuff, having 60hp from a 2t in a modern chassis would be sweet. Someone did a test a while back between a KX500 and KX450f. I think the 500 was Destry Abbots bikes. It was really great comparison.

Now KTM has introduced EFI on 250's and 300's for 2018. I think the 250's are the first to be sent to the US. 300's Euro and Aus.

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