Thermodynamics question

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I have heard hot water freezes faster than cold water. I have yet to see this proven and other engineers I have asked have heard it also, again never seeing it proven. Common sense says this is BS, but in nuclear power, we throw common sense away.

Any takers?

If this is true, does cold water boil faster than hot water? Prove it.

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Kevin,

I can't prove with water but I do know when my wife get's mad (hot) she turns into an Ice queen (cold).

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I also worked at a Nuclear plant for 11 years. One night at a party we put 2 ice cube trays in the freezer, one with boiling water, the other with tap water. We saw nothing to make us think that the boiling water would freeze first. But it was suprisingly close.

The next day at work, we did it again (we were afraid that the alcohol might have clouded our judgement. Same results.

I worked at the Perry Nuclear power Plant,(reactor Operator) where do you work.

I was also a nuke in the navy. (USS Trepang, SSN 674)

Hope this snow goes away, I really want to ride.

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Seabrook Station in New Hampshire

USS Tennessee, "M" Division, class 8502.

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Stillerz,

nuke plant....alcohol.....clouded judgement.

hmmmmm, nice to know you don't work there anymore.

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From Joe Larsen, Researcher at the University of Southern California

The rate of heat transfer is proportional to the temperature difference between the two objects, so hot water will lose heat faster than cold water. In other words, if you have water at 90 degrees C and water at 10 degrees C and the freezer is at -10 degrees C, the hot water will lose heat five times faster than the cold water; however, the cold water will still win the race. As the hot water cools it's rate of heat transfer will decrease, so it will never catch up to the cold water.

[This message has been edited by Rich Rohrich (edited 03-26-2001).]

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All other things being equal, the cold water will freeze faster. However, it is possible to corrupt an experiment and come up with erroneous conclusions as outlined at the following link.

I actually performed this experiment back in college and came up with many of the same conclusions and observations. The first couple of times the hot water actually froze faster.

In disbelief I repeated the experiment taking great care to eliminate any sources of error I could think of. Take water from same tap. Heat all water first to reduce the amount of air dissolved in water. Repeat experiment with positions of hot/cold water swapped. In the end the cold water froze first and with renewed confidence I got back to the studies I should have been doing all along.

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I concur wholeheartidly. The rate of heat xfer is greater with a greater delta T, however the water nearest it's target temp will win!

Thank you.

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I realize that this topic has been dead for a few days but I'm just getting caught up on my reading. I've never done the experiment but have been told that the reason hot water is believed to freeze faster is that that when you put hot water in the freezer, more of it will evaporate than the cold, thus freezing faster. I guess this means you end up with smaller ice cubes...

For what its worth.

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A good example is if you are in say ten degree weather and you throw the water out of a glass cold water it will fall to the ground and still be water. Same glass of hot water will fall to the ground as ice.

HOLY SHIT

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Hum how do you even find 17 year old threads. 🧐😉🤷🏻‍♂️

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Hum, I’m guessing the same way you did? Do you even read your own words before pressing send? Lmfao

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4 hours ago, Husqydude said:

Hum, I’m guessing the same way you did? Do you even read your own words before pressing send? Lmfao

Ah no. When you post on a 17 year old thread then it shows up. I not only read my own words I typed them too. 😉 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Did you know Ted in Massachusetts now plays Bingo in a retirement home. 😂

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Then you just answered your own question AGAIN! Do you think the site works different for me then you? Surely you are not seeing the humor here.

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5 hours ago, Husqydude said:

Then you just answered your own question AGAIN! Do you think the site works different for me then you? Surely you are not seeing the humor here.

Your smarter than Ted in Massachusetts!

Bingo 😉

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holy smack lol

This is way cooler when you study liquid metal solidifying. Phase changes need an undercooling to initiate the phase, then the phase change happens at a constant temperature. In the case of water, its just whichever sample gets to the undercooling period first. On paper results can differ slightly based on pressure and size.

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This has to be a record in the "Dead Thread Revival" Hall of Fame.

If a train from the South pole and a train from the North pole leave simultaneously, which one arrives in Hawaii first?

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