For those who are interested I bought the new Malcolm Smith (MSR) Single track pack. They are about 85 bucks and can carry a bladder and tons of stuff. It was way bigger than I expected. Almost too big I thought. Then I wore it. The Ergo's on it are awsome. It was wayyyy comfy. I didn't even know it was on and I was wearing it over my CP. It is comfy without a cp and can be used for more than just riding. I still think it is a little big, but the quality is there. Big zipers, reflectors, lots of pouches. Its a nice pack and it is NOT made by camelbak. Great for the long rides that require bringing extra water and a lunch.