Hare Scrambles/Enduro/MX Races?

Minnesota

I did my first enduro when I was 49. I did some hare hare scrambles when I was younger (high school/college). when I rode my first hare scamble, I thought it was really hard and I was happy to just finish. when I did my first enduro I thought it was the hardest thing I had ever done and I was glad I finished the course (although, I hour'ed out). so basically, be proud if you finish your first hare scramble and be happy if you can finish/score a full length enduro in the first season. this year, I started doing some hare scrambles as practice before enduro season starts. they seem easy. here (west coast), an enduro is probably about 3-4+ back-back hare scrambles in effort.

for normal conditioning, I ride my bicycle to/from lunch at work (including some highway overpasses), run about 2-3 time a week, do crunches when I feel like it and walk my dogs a couple of times a day. for practice, I try to hit the local OHV park once a week or so and work on technical riding skills and anything that I feel uncomfortable with (going over logs, figure eights on hillsides, some MX track, fast whoops, obstacle course, etc...) depending on the terrain that is normal for your area. I try to ride longer trails when they are open, but usually only 1-2 times a month. good enduro practice, is to take a larger/heavier bike on single tracks. I sometimes ride my xl600r on tight single track for practice a smaller bike will then feel much lighter when you pick it up. practice picking up your bike in odd positions/angles so you can learn technique to make it easy.

to put things in perspective, out here (District 36) after one full season of enduros. I'm a middle C rider (I don't care about my ranking in hare scrambles), I hope to make it to B in the next few years. I promised myself that if I make it to middle B, I can get a new (to me bike). recreationally, I ride faster (trails) than most my younger buddies/friends and last longer on trails before I get tired.

one big thing to remember for cross country and enduro racing. ride smooth to conserve energy. you will not win the race in the first lap/hour, but you can lose it. cross country and enduro is 90% rider/10% bike. there are older guys than me on '79 vintage bikes that will that not only get first in the vintage class but finish first in overall for that race.

Good advice. I'm having trouble with my knees after training for two marathons and am considering riding my bike to work as soon as the snow gets off the roads.

My planned strategy is to ride at a comfortable fast pace so I have the energy to ride through the difficult stuff. Seems a lot of people waste time getting stuck in mud or difficult hills. Just what I've seen from youtube.

I signed up for my first race when I was 30. I rode the Huntersville Enduro. That was over two decades ago. Since then I've ridden Hare Scrambles, Motocross, Dirt Track, Supermoto, Observed Trials, Ice as well as Enduro. In general the more hurry up and wait that is associated with the event the less I like it.

I skipped a trials event today here in The Netherlands because of snow. I crash enough at those events to do it all day in the snow.

Guys, I can't warn you enough that once you try racing off-road and get to know some of the cool dudes out there, you will be hooked! So be aware! my wife says it's all I think about.

And very good point about bringing the kids with, either to race or just watch. Our girls were in college before I started racing, but most of my friends have kids that race. I can say from knowing my friends and their children, that off-road is the PERFECT family sport! I recommend trying a HS before an Enduro. Cambridge is the first HS and I will be working it with my club, the Norsemen. BTW, joining a club is another great way to meet folks. I belong to the Norsemen and Paul Bunyan Forest Riders clubs. Both are great groups of people.

- Steven

It's my Birthday tomorrow and so I went to Cedar Lake Arena to try motocross for the second time, but kind of a firsteek7.gif.

They ran different classes for about 15 minutes so most of the time you watched. The classes were A,B,C, 65-85cc, and 50CC. I wanted to ride with the 65-85cc riders but had to ride with the C class.

My first round was disappointing. I think I was mostly nervous. Came off the track sore from holding on for dear life. Second round I picked up some speed around the corners. Third round I broke my front brake lever, but I paid $45 to ride and so went without the brake and probably started to ride faster. I turned all of my suspension clickers in all the way for the 4th round, still having a broken lever, I managed to catch some real airclap.gif.

I think if I lost 15-20lbs my suspension would not bottom out as much, but when you start from 0 your learning curve is pretty high. One big benefit was getting used to riding close to other riders. I got bumped a little, kind of cool.

Lots of good people there and always willing to give some good pointers and share some good stories. Kind of changed my stereo type of motocross guys, oh, and girls.

This is a link to a video I took with my phone, Class A riders. My photobucket is unlocked so I have some other cool pictures there.

http://s1180.beta.photobucket.com/user/todddl/media/SSPX0006_zps221fe254.mp4.html

Blurry riders.

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Yep, definitely wouldn't hurt to respring your bike for your weight, if you're anything over about 175. Sounds like a lot of hassle at first, but no biggie - you get used to taking stuff apart on these bikes on a routine basis - - the "other" part of racing no one's even talked about yet! I'm in the middle of suspension rebuilds/revalves on 2 YZ's right now. Definitely helps pass the winter time.

Northwoods is right, for sure. Its like the Steve Mcqueen saying - "When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.”

So, we wait...

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Yep, definitely wouldn't hurt to respring your bike for your weight, if you're anything over about 175. Sounds like a lot of hassle at first, but no biggie - you get used to taking stuff apart on these bikes on a routine basis - - the "other" part of racing no one's even talked about yet! I'm in the middle of suspension rebuilds/revalves on 2 YZ's right now. Definitely helps pass the winter time.

Northwoods is right, for sure. Its like the Steve Mcqueen saying - "When you're racing, it's life. Anything that happens before or after is just waiting.”

So, we wait...

My bike was already resprung from the previous rider for woods riding, so I think the damping is soft for MX. I'd rather loose the weight because if I don't, besides new springs, I'll have to buy new clothes, heated jacket, and waterski.

Guys, I can't warn you enough that once you try racing off-road and get to know some of the cool dudes out there, you will be hooked! So be aware! my wife says it's all I think about.

Please delete this reply before my wife sees it. :naughty:

I too started racing hs's last year at 37 and had a blast! (Even coming in 2nd to last and last ;) )

I've been trying to find people to practice with but it's been hard...

Anyhow I plan on running all season this year in C vet and I can't wait!

My wife says the same thing it's all I've been talking about since last race of the season.

Please delete this reply before my wife sees it. :naughty:

Your first mistake is letting your wife know you are on this site. My bride just thinks I am surfing porn every night :)

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Your first mistake is letting your wife know you are on this site. My bride just thinks I am surfing porn every night :)

Right, and little do they realize that would be less harmful to the marriage! But I gotta give my wife credit, I get no grief for my riding schedule, she even helped out at an event last year... :thumbsup:

Right, and little do they realize that would be less harmful to the marriage! But I gotta give my wife credit, I get no grief for my riding schedule, she even helped out at an event last year... :thumbsup:

I'm in the same boat. My bride comes to my races and even pretends to enjoy it.

Man hearing all you guys talking about trying a race really has me inspired. I always wanted to try a race but never new where or how to get started. If anyone aroung the SW Michigan area is in my same boat hit me up or if anyone would consider showing me the ropes I would appreciate any help getting started.

find a motorcycle store and starting asking around. also, AMA Motorcyclist has a section in back where they list most of the AMA sanctioned races by state. just show up to one as a spectator and start talking to folks and ask questions. if nothing else, load up your bike and just show up to a race. I knew no one who was doing Enduros when I started. I just read everything I could and showed up with my bike.

Man hearing all you guys talking about trying a race really has me inspired. I always wanted to try a race but never new where or how to get started. If anyone aroung the SW Michigan area is in my same boat hit me up or if anyone would consider showing me the ropes I would appreciate any help getting started.

Rummaged through my helmet cams this weekend, decided to throw some Hare scramble action on Youtube.

This was the Carver race, good mix of trail, lots of sand, a sweet gravel/sand pit challenge section and a couple gnarly hills. Good example of what you'll see in the C class - the guy who's bike doesn't start (me...practice your 1 kick starts before you race!), couple spode wipeouts, and some peeps you end up making friends with after you see them at a few races.

I made 2 changes to my race plan after this: 1, get better starts - riding with a few buddies, we took turns "dropping the flag" while a couple of us would practice starts/holeshots. Makes a fun little competition, you learn a lot after a half dozen tries in a row. Now, I just lose spots in the first turn instead of off the line. 2, get more aggressive in passing early on. I followed those dudes in the sand way too long. My later vids have a lot more yelling/hollering and revving going on.

Also, there's a little foul language in my commentary along the way, I had a problem understanding why everyone would get backed up when we had to go into the woods between a couple trees.

Enjoy!

So was that the first lap? And then I'm guessing you completed 3 laps in that race? And that was Class C Senior?

Looked pretty easy watching it from my bed. :D Actually, it's kind of hard to tell from the GoPro, but it looks like there isn't anything there that I can't do (although not the fastest). Makes a little scared and excited. Kind of like the first Junior High dance.

Ready for the next lesson. :thinking:

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Yes, that was 1 lap out of 3...there isn't usually anything too crazy in terms of obstacles and whatnot, its just that you're trying to do it all in a hurry! And, if you start in the back like that, the race can be all traffic jams. People were pretty well spread out by lap 3. Like everyone says, show up and have fun!

Man that was painful to watch. It looks worse in the C class (I ride A). But one of the things I don't like about hare scrambles is that you get so many brain dead moto guys who wouldn't move over for God himself no matter how slow they are or how many people they are stacking up behind them in the woods. I know some of them are simply ignorant of sportsmanship and etiquette in the woods. But I personally know a few who think that you have to earn it and pull a trail out of your butt to pass them on. And then the get all mad if you stack them into a tree, because that is what they deserve.

My tip for you is to sign up B class. You look like a competent rider. You'll find a more courteous bunch of riders there.

Also. Practice braking. If you can out brake one of those never move over guys in an open section they might either let you by then, because it is more like a motocross situation, or crash in the corner that you out braked them into. Either one works just as well. Another tip. If screaming and revving don't work. Show them a wheel as often as you can. They might get flustered and crash. Just be sure not to follow them too close after you show them a wheel or you won't be able to get around them.

this is one reason why I and my friends like Enduros. Enduro riders in general have better trail etiquette.

Man that was painful to watch. It looks worse in the C class (I ride A). But one of the things I don't like about hare scrambles is that you get so many brain dead moto guys who wouldn't move over for God himself no matter how slow they are or how many people they are stacking up behind them in the woods. I know some of them are simply ignorant of sportsmanship and etiquette in the woods. But I personally know a few who think that you have to earn it and pull a trail out of your butt to pass them on. And then the get all mad if you stack them into a tree, because that is what they deserve.

My tip for you is to sign up B class. You look like a competent rider. You'll find a more courteous bunch of riders there.

Also. Practice braking. If you can out brake one of those never move over guys in an open section they might either let you by then, because it is more like a motocross situation, or crash in the corner that you out braked them into. Either one works just as well. Another tip. If screaming and revving don't work. Show them a wheel as often as you can. They might get flustered and crash. Just be sure not to follow them too close after you show them a wheel or you won't be able to get around them.

Man that was painful to watch. It looks worse in the C class (I ride A). But one of the things I don't like about hare scrambles is that you get so many brain dead moto guys who wouldn't move over for God himself no matter how slow they are or how many people they are stacking up behind them in the woods. I know some of them are simply ignorant of sportsmanship and etiquette in the woods. But I personally know a few who think that you have to earn it and pull a trail out of your butt to pass them on. And then the get all mad if you stack them into a tree, because that is what they deserve.

My tip for you is to sign up B class. You look like a competent rider. You'll find a more courteous bunch of riders there.

Also. Practice braking. If you can out brake one of those never move over guys in an open section they might either let you by then, because it is more like a motocross situation, or crash in the corner that you out braked them into. Either one works just as well. Another tip. If screaming and revving don't work. Show them a wheel as often as you can. They might get flustered and crash. Just be sure not to follow them too close after you show them a wheel or you won't be able to get around them.

Thanks for advice! Never thought as much about braking, but really if you can out-brake someone, you don't really have to out-accelerate as much. See that in MotoGP all the time...

The good news is that I am moving to B, both by choice and my results from last year. I think I got every place from 1st to 8th along the way! As my confidence increased and I placed better, there was a lot more yelling involved to get around people. Once I started to think they were in MY spot, I had little patience. I've got some pretty funny vid of that, might post later.

Seems we get the most brain dead MX dudes after their season is over, so races like Mazeppa last year can be the worst. Can always recongize the MXer - the bike is usually way too pretty, and the gear mostly matches. I'm out there on an old steel workhorse. After getting held up in 10 person conga lines, I had to show that 1, yes I can make new trail faster than they can ride the existing trail, and 2, yes, I can use your bike as a berm. Hey, they always have the option to retaliate, if they catch me, right?

Anyway, looking forward to the 2 hour races and the more "seasoned" company. That, and a couple more enduros - I do like the man -vs- nature aspect a bit more. My kid and 1 riding buddy are staying in C, I told them its their last year!

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