I am dying to buy a 450 before the snow melts here in Maine so I have time to get it ready. I know as soon as I buy one, a better deal with pop up somewhere. I usually like to buy from private sale as I can get a feel of how the old owner treated it. A dealer by me has this for sale http://www.woodysyamaha.com/pages/myinventory#details:unitID=100075386 I am asking them to plug into it and check the hours for me, once I know that I will make them an offer. I dont want to pay more than 4500 for it, What would you guys pay for it? I have checked it out and its pretty dam clean. Any input?