I've tried lots of different ones over the years, I did run the full aluminum heavy duty wrap ones until a guy I know went into a tree and the aluminum guards broke two of his fingers. I've always been a fast woods rider and really just looking for a set to keep branches and roost from hitting my knuckles. I've gone back to the Cycra Stealth guards, I've had a couple sets and they have always held up well, I also really like the look of them. Got these in yesterday from ebay for a really good price, I also got the new bar pad in. Bike is pulling crisp and hard with the proper jetting and adjustment, really happy to have another TTR230, great bikes, my 05 held up great, I never had any issues, so far this 12 model is smooth as butter.