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So last week I finally had a riding fail of sorts when I ended up having to ride out of a very dark forest after not judging the days remaining light very well. As you know it is quite a bit darker in a forested area, (especially a rain forest like I ride here in BC), than the open trails and back roads. To make matters worse these trails are extreme single track, not some place to screw up as I did, long story short I had a very stressful ride out to my truck.

I've been reaserching the Inter Web thingy here for lighting solutions, having found some ideas and products that might work but have found most to be way to damn expencive, no way I'm dropping almost $900 on a set of battery powered lights.

I ride an 06 CRF450R without a stator so I need a battery powered light, something light weight and solid as I tend to crash allot!!!

Here are some of my finds so far:

 

TRAIL TECH EQUINOX LED 35MM HELMET LIGHT
http://www.splashndirt.com/pages/en/catalog/index.asp?ID=2022&sopt=optgroupdetail

 

Strykr LED Bicycle and Helmet Lights
http://www.bajadesigns.com/products/bicycle-lights/strykr-led-bicycle-lights

 

Helmetlight Inc. Lead Dog Helmet Light
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/195/33143/ITEM/Helmetlight-Inc--Lead-Dog-Helmet-Light.aspx

 

Cyclops is proud to offer a new battery powered helmet light.
http://www.coreracing.co.uk/cyclops.php

 

Black billet motorcycle helmet light, 65mm x 80mm x 105mm. Two lithium polymer 11.1v 6500 mah rechargable batteries – 4 hour.
http://shop.schlowycustoms.com/index.php/cPath/21_23
Although this interweb thingy took me here to South Africa for this one.

 

I would like to hear from some of you with working solutions to getting caught riding the trails once they are to damn dark to do so.

 

 

:ride: Oh and here is my video of that ride so full of fail. :banghead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSGLVOGa&%$#@!

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Found these at Cabela's online, looks like a good choice. Going to have to check them out.

 

Compact and powerful, these 10-watt LED lights produce 900 lumens – the most output for an off-road lights this size. Plus, advanced electronic drivers limit their draw to just .75 amps while giving them a 50,000-hour lifespan and a variable 9 to 50-volt DC input. Unique four-sided channel construction allows you to interlink the lights with another Solstice Solo Pod or other mounting hardware to secure it to a flat surface, handlebar or helmet.
Available:
•Flood – Casts a 35-ft. wide beam
•Euro – Casts a 15-ft. wide beam
•Spot – Projects a narrow 10-ft. wide beam

Accessories for mounting Solstice Solo Pod lights and enhancing their versatility.
Available:
•Combination Helmet and Handlebar Mounts – Includes a flat-mount adapter to mount your light on a flat surface, a helmet-mount adapter for mounting the light atop a helmet to cast a beam where you look, and a handlebar adapter to mount the light on a handlebar or tubular racks.

•Pistol Grip – Fasten it to your Solstice Solo Pod to turn it into a spotlight.

•Battery Pack – Capable of powering a Solstice Solo Pod for more than 3.5 hours, or a pair of the lights for more than 1.75 hours. Reusable and rechargeable, its shape permits use as a handle.

 

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Either this-http://www.niterider.com/performance-bike-lights/pro-1200-race/ or this http://www.niterider.com/performance-bike-lights/pro-1800-bike-light/. I ride bicycles at night and don't feel that 900 lumens is near enough for decent night vision on a motorcycle at higher speeds.

 

Ya, I know it's expensive, but if you ever really need it, it's worth the price of admission.

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So last week I finally had a riding fail of sorts when I ended up having to ride out of a very dark forest after not judging the days remaining light very well. As you know it is quite a bit darker in a forested area, (especially a rain forest like I ride here in BC), than the open trails and back roads. To make matters worse these trails are extreme single track, not some place to screw up as I did, long story short I had a very stressful ride out to my truck.

I've been reaserching the Inter Web thingy here for lighting solutions, having found some ideas and products that might work but have found most to be way to damn expencive, no way I'm dropping almost $900 on a set of battery powered lights.

I ride an 06 CRF450R without a stator so I need a battery powered light, something light weight and solid as I tend to crash allot!!!

Here are some of my finds so far:

TRAIL TECH EQUINOX LED 35MM HELMET LIGHT

http://www.splashndirt.com/pages/en/catalog/index.asp?ID=2022&sopt=optgroupdetail

Strykr LED Bicycle and Helmet Lights

http://www.bajadesigns.com/products/bicycle-lights/strykr-led-bicycle-lights

Helmetlight Inc. Lead Dog Helmet Light

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/195/33143/ITEM/Helmetlight-Inc--Lead-Dog-Helmet-Light.aspx

Cyclops is proud to offer a new battery powered helmet light.

http://www.coreracing.co.uk/cyclops.php

Black billet motorcycle helmet light, 65mm x 80mm x 105mm. Two lithium polymer 11.1v 6500 mah rechargable batteries – 4 hour.

http://shop.schlowycustoms.com/index.php/cPath/21_23

Although this interweb thingy took me here to South Africa for this one.

I would like to hear from some of you with working solutions to getting caught riding the trails once they are to damn dark to do so.

:ride: Oh and here is my video of that ride so full of fail. :banghead:

Baja designs helmet lights work amazing. I've got them for my cr when I'd go on long rides that may take me into night.

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Found these at Cabela's online, looks like a good choice. Going to have to check them out.

 

Compact and powerful, these 10-watt LED lights produce 900 lumens – the most output for an off-road lights this size. Plus, advanced electronic drivers limit their draw to just .75 amps while giving them a 50,000-hour lifespan and a variable 9 to 50-volt DC input. Unique four-sided channel construction allows you to interlink the lights with another Solstice Solo Pod or other mounting hardware to secure it to a flat surface, handlebar or helmet.

Available:

•Flood – Casts a 35-ft. wide beam

•Euro – Casts a 15-ft. wide beam

•Spot – Projects a narrow 10-ft. wide beam

Accessories for mounting Solstice Solo Pod lights and enhancing their versatility.

Available:

•Combination Helmet and Handlebar Mounts – Includes a flat-mount adapter to mount your light on a flat surface, a helmet-mount adapter for mounting the light atop a helmet to cast a beam where you look, and a handlebar adapter to mount the light on a handlebar or tubular racks.

•Pistol Grip – Fasten it to your Solstice Solo Pod to turn it into a spotlight.

•Battery Pack – Capable of powering a Solstice Solo Pod for more than 3.5 hours, or a pair of the lights for more than 1.75 hours. Reusable and rechargeable, its shape permits use as a handle.

 

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 There is a lot more to lighting than a lumen rating. Mounting, Battery style and Optics are overlooked by most in this category.

   We are very proud to have been the first motorsports specific helmet light producers. The Solstice HID is the king of helmet mounted lights with features like an adjustable, non breakable mounting system, the farthest light throw of any helmet light on the planet, and batteries that are not only the lightest in the industry but also allow you to stack them for added run time. You will see many of these up around Mcnutt. One of my favorite places to ride.

 

   If you take a look at the light photo'd above, guess who's name is on the battery and charger.

We offer close to the same kit, although I would not recommend it for your use. Mostly due to the weight.

 We also offer a budget minded HL for those that just are not sure or need something to get out of the woods, Many end up on race teams and offer a beam better than any factory MC headlight.

http://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/?page=products&id=96

 a good bike mounted battery powered light can also be of benefit, and does not need to cost $900

 

 Here are several options

http://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/?page=categories&id=105

 

 In Canada    Riders Edge is a great dealer to work with.

 

 Here is a video of the original Solstice helmet mounted light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6BMET9UBNU0

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If you want the absolute BEST LIGHT you will EVER BUY, (and you will shell out some coin) -

Lupine Betty R14   

It is intended to be a mountain bike light, but is very durable and German made.   I bet it would do mighty good for a helmet light on the motorcycle.

 

610 grams including battery, 26 degree beam angle.

 

On high beam - 2 hour run time - 4800 lumens

Medium beam - 3 hr, 20 minute run time - 2900 lumen

Lower beam - 7 hr 30 minute run time - 1400 lumen

 

 

I have a Trail Tech Equinox as my low beam mountain bike light, and the SCMR16 as my high beam (I am called "Mr. Sun" when I turn it on).     I am not overly impressed with the HID lights any longer.   I have had a few issues with them now.   For motorcycles, the smaller Equinox light will be sufficient as a "save me" light, but it is not an ultra impressive light.   Small, tight beam, but it is fairly bright.   The SCMR16 is a beast of a light, somthing like 1800 lumens,  but kills batteries in no time.   It runs VERY hot and has a very wide beam if you get the flood.

I just picked up a Lupine Piko 7, and that thing is insane.   1200 lumens in a beautiful pattern and 4.5 hours run time.   VERY VERY VERY VERY smal (something like 1.25 inches wide, and 3/4" thick, maybe 1.25 inches deep).   it will probalby be the only light I use for the mountain bike.

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Either this-http://www.niterider.com/performance-bike-lights/pro-1200-race/ or this http://www.niterider.com/performance-bike-lights/pro-1800-bike-light/. I ride bicycles at night and don't feel that 900 lumens is near enough for decent night vision on a motorcycle at higher speeds.

 

Ya, I know it's expensive, but if you ever really need it, it's worth the price of admission.

I see your point so will give up on the lesser expensive options. Thanks for your help.

 

 

 

Baja designs helmet lights work amazing. I've got them for my cr when I'd go on long rides that may take me into night.

Thanks I'll check them out.

 

 

 There is a lot more to lighting than a lumen rating. Mounting, Battery style and Optics are overlooked by most in this category.

   We are very proud to have been the first motorsports specific helmet light producers. The Solstice HID is the king of helmet mounted lights with features like an adjustable, non breakable mounting system, the farthest light throw of any helmet light on the planet, and batteries that are not only the lightest in the industry but also allow you to stack them for added run time. You will see many of these up around Mcnutt. One of my favorite places to ride.

 

   If you take a look at the light photo'd above, guess who's name is on the battery and charger.

We offer close to the same kit, although I would not recommend it for your use. Mostly due to the weight.

 We also offer a budget minded HL for those that just are not sure or need something to get out of the woods, Many end up on race teams and offer a beam better than any factory MC headlight.

http://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/?page=products&id=96

 a good bike mounted battery powered light can also be of benefit, and does not need to cost $900

 

 Here are several options

http://www.cyclopsadventuresports.com/?page=categories&id=105

 

 In Canada    Riders Edge is a great dealer to work with.

 

 Here is a video of the original Solstice helmet mounted light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=6BMET9UBNU0

Thanks Cyclops for all the great info, I'm going to look into it all tonight along with info from everyone else. I GOOGLED Riders Edge and got dozens of hits with non of them looking like what I'm after. Most of the hits are damn Harley crap etc. Can you give me a better link?

 

If you want the absolute BEST LIGHT you will EVER BUY, (and you will shell out some coin) -

Lupine Betty R14   

It is intended to be a mountain bike light, but is very durable and German made.   I bet it would do mighty good for a helmet light on the motorcycle.

 

610 grams including battery, 26 degree beam angle.

 

On high beam - 2 hour run time - 4800 lumens

Medium beam - 3 hr, 20 minute run time - 2900 lumen

Lower beam - 7 hr 30 minute run time - 1400 lumen

 

 

I have a Trail Tech Equinox as my low beam mountain bike light, and the SCMR16 as my high beam (I am called "Mr. Sun" when I turn it on).     I am not overly impressed with the HID lights any longer.   I have had a few issues with them now.   For motorcycles, the smaller Equinox light will be sufficient as a "save me" light, but it is not an ultra impressive light.   Small, tight beam, but it is fairly bright.   The SCMR16 is a beast of a light, somthing like 1800 lumens,  but kills batteries in no time.   It runs VERY hot and has a very wide beam if you get the flood.

I just picked up a Lupine Piko 7, and that thing is insane.   1200 lumens in a beautiful pattern and 4.5 hours run time.   VERY VERY VERY VERY smal (something like 1.25 inches wide, and 3/4" thick, maybe 1.25 inches deep).   it will probalby be the only light I use for the mountain bike.

 Sounds like one hell of a light but again not sure if I really want to spend huge coin on this. I only want a light to extend my riding during the winter, at this time not really wanting to go night riding, did that years ago with my mountain bike with homemade and Cat-Eye bike lights almost 18 years ago. I will look into it though, thanks!

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I see your point so will give up on the lesser expensive options. Thanks for your help.

 

 

 

Thanks I'll check them out.

 

 

Thanks Cyclops for all the great info, I'm going to look into it all tonight along with info from everyone else. I GOOGLED Riders Edge and got dozens of hits with non of them looking like what I'm after. Most of the hits are damn Harley crap etc. Can you give me a better link?

 

 Sounds like one hell of a light but again not sure if I really want to spend huge coin on this. I only want a light to extend my riding during the winter, at this time not really wanting to go night riding, did that years ago with my mountain bike with homemade and Cat-Eye bike lights almost 18 years ago. I will look into it though, thanks!

 

 

yeah, the Betty is a stupid light, and very expensive.   If you wanted a little less, the Wilma is 2800 lumens, and cost a lot less.

 

IF you are seriously interested, let me know - I am old riding (bicycle) buddies with the owner of the business that is the exclusive distributor for North America. (http://gretnabikes.com/).    Bill MIGHT be willing to give a decent deal.  I've seen the Piko's on Amazon, and he's selling them for less than I saw on Amazon.

 

 

Back in the day, we used to ride with a set of Vista-Lights.  A 10 watt halogen spot on the bars, and a 15 watt flood on the helmet.     SUCH CRAP by todays standards, it's amazing we're alive from bombing down sections with those things.    If they put out 400 lumens at the full 25 watts, that was about it!

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Holy Crap the Betty is awesome but WTF $1175 US then tax and shipping to Canukistan would be an absolute fortune. Would be very nice to have for sure but my days of spending cash like that are probably over.

The Wilma 14 as a set is $745 which is a whole lot better but half as cool.

The Piko 7 sits at $425 and looks like it even puts out a huge amount of light for such a small package.

 

The Night Rider and Cyclopes systems look amazing as well but I did not find any prices on them as yet. Looks like I'm going to be in this for around $500 and no less for something decent.

I cannot believe how far these light systems have come since I used the Halogen bulbs back 18 or so years ago. I also made a plastic injection mold for one way back when I worked for a CNC injection mold shop but cannot remember the name of the unit.

Here are some pictures of the old lights that I designed and turned up on a CNC some where back around 1996 that used a household halogen bulb, wiring that I made as well and I used a heavy as hell lead acid battery :)

 

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And my original light that I made in trade school at BCIT when I took my 1st CNC training courses

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I've been stuck at mcnutt in the dark too! Except it was even darker! And a headlight is the way to go. A front fender light doesn't do a whole lot at mcnutt! I cant remember the brand but i stopped by at maple ridge motorsports and they showed me a pretty cool looking headlight. I dont think it could be much more than a few hundred.

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Do you plan on doing night riding or just need something to get you out in case you get stuck out there again when it's getting dark? I did a night ride a few months ago. I do have a headlight on my bike, but also drilled some holes in my visor and cable tied a couple small cheap led flashlights to it. I turned my headlight off just to see if the flashlights would give me enough light to ride. I was surprised. I wouldn't be able to do a fast pace but it was plenty of light to ride out at an ok pace. If you wear a back pack or a bag, throw a flash light or two in it and use them if need be. 

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The trail tech lights are extremely bright! Last winter I watched a night enduro race and a guy had a 2 sets on his helmet, you could see him way before you could hear him.

 

So what do you all think of this set-up? And the bigger question HID or LED? This shit is getting confusing!

https://www.thumpertalk.com/shop/Trail-Tech-Helmet-LED-Light-Kit-with-Battery-Dual-Spot-Spot-3122-SX-p4492422.html

 

Trail Tech Helmet LED Light Kit with Battery - Dual (Spot/Spot) (3122-SX)

DESCRIPTION

Black all metal housing Hi/Med/Low, 12/6/3; 5 watt 800 lumens per light Dimensions: 1.8in. x 3.2in. per light Weight: 5.9 oz. per light Hardened glass lens Quick release docks make it easy to move from helmet to handlebar mount to carrying case Kit includes: 1 battery, 1 charger, 1 bungee cord, 1 smart L.E.D. switch and battery meter, 1 soft carrying case, 1 vehicle power cord and wiring routing anchors Dual kit includes: 2 lights, 2 helmet docks and 2 rotating handlebar docks for 7/8in.-1-1/8in. bars 3/6/12 hours run time for dual

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So what do you all think of this set-up? And the bigger question HID or LED? This shit is getting confusing!

https://www.thumpertalk.com/shop/Trail-Tech-Helmet-LED-Light-Kit-with-Battery-Dual-Spot-Spot-3122-SX-p4492422.html

Trail Tech Helmet LED Light Kit with Battery - Dual (Spot/Spot) (3122-SX)

DESCRIPTION

Black all metal housing Hi/Med/Low, 12/6/3; 5 watt 800 lumens per light Dimensions: 1.8in. x 3.2in. per light Weight: 5.9 oz. per light Hardened glass lens Quick release docks make it easy to move from helmet to handlebar mount to carrying case Kit includes: 1 battery, 1 charger, 1 bungee cord, 1 smart L.E.D. switch and battery meter, 1 soft carrying case, 1 vehicle power cord and wiring routing anchors Dual kit includes: 2 lights, 2 helmet docks and 2 rotating handlebar docks for 7/8in.-1-1/8in. bars 3/6/12 hours run time for dual

That's the exact kit I saw most people using, this was AA Class pro ridera and it worked sufficiently for them..

The one thing I'd point out is I have heard the HID lights make it easier because they are focused better. I've heard that the LED light somewhat shine everywhere and they don't focus where you point them. This might just be old technology though, I'd like to see what others have to say about this.

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Hey Pit, if you want to try the TT lighting, I have that setup. I can lend it to you to try it out for a while. PM me you address and Ill throw it on Greyhound.....

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I like to get the CREE flash lights and make a holder that mounts up to my gopro mounts. Gets use out of the mounts that I already have on the helmet and bars if I want.. Lets you get more than one use out of your lights to so when you go camping you can just pop off the mount and your good to go..  Lots of super bright CREE options out there for a good price. Pretty good battery life out of them as well. 

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Have you looked at the Magicshine lights? A lot of the guys doing the night races use them and the prices are reasonable.

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Have you looked at the Magicshine lights? A lot of the guys doing the night races use them and the prices are reasonable.

They look quite impressive but the mount needs some work for a motorcycle helmet as far as I saw anyway. Thanks for the link!

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Hey Pit, if you want to try the TT lighting, I have that setup. I can lend it to you to try it out for a while. PM me you address and Ill throw it on Greyhound.....

Wow thanks Monk, that's a great offer. I'm off to the local bike shop this week end to see what is locally available and try to figure out if HID or LED is the better light and for what reasons. Since I started this thread I've been shown so many great options, feed back has been awesome. If I cannot find my way through this (this weekend) I'll take you up on your offer and make it worth your while, thx.

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I like to get the CREE flash lights and make a holder that mounts up to my gopro mounts. Gets use out of the mounts that I already have on the helmet and bars if I want.. Lets you get more than one use out of your lights to so when you go camping you can just pop off the mount and your good to go..  Lots of super bright CREE options out there for a good price. Pretty good battery life out of them as well. 

I just went to the CREE website and found there is one pile of information there about their product. They have so many LED bulbs for so many applications that it ends up very overwhelming. I would look deeper into their stuff if and when I ever decide to make my own light system again, not sure I will though due to the amazing systems that already exist.

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