That is the question. We've got a pretty damn kewl little MX track going replete with a neat little uphill into the woods technical section, very short but, challenging and a really cool break up of a lap, a lap being about 8/10's of a mile. A nice 40 foot table top, uphill, right out of a good, deep rut, numerous little doubles, a few singles, really good elevation changes and a lot of off camber sweepers to keep the speed down and make everyone a better rider and, lastly, a sweet chicane type section. Everyone who comes out enjoys the heck out of it, including several ex pros. One of the better riders wanted a whoop section so, he laid it out, 8, right after the table top, at the end of the only shit 'n git WTFO straight away that you used to have to really slam on the brakes to make a big left hand, off camber sweeper. I made 'em good sized, rolled them real nice with the Bobcat, and I was very happy with how they turned out and the better riders are getting the hang of it. To make a short story long, I've been nervous about them, just waiting for someone to go over the bars and land into the face of the next one. We've had one kid get whiskey throttle and shoot his bike into the woods. (Just not enough cameras!!!) Half of us are C or lower riders and it's 8 singles, lot of arm work out and really not much fun. The better riders really seem to dig the challenge but, they're all sick in the head anyway. Plus, they are ALL tripling in so, they're a bunch of show off, cheating dogs anyway. In any event, I took them out today and made it double/double using the dirt from every other one to make the four not quite twice as big but also wider. We only had two guys out today and they love it including one of the better riders who was getting the timing on the whoops. He doesn't miss them at all. You can really get some fun air on the things now and that 'hold my breathe' thing is gone. It no longer feels like a nasty wreck waiting to happen. It flows REAL nice. I, personally, like it much better. However, I'm curious what the general consensus is on whoops. So, how important, in your view, are whoops to the skill set of a bunch of guys who range from beginner 14 year olds to old ex pros to middle of the road guys? We've got a really good group of people. Would you want them? Why or why not??? Thoughts?