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So if Dungey needed the Dungey edition to be sold to race outdoors in 2012, how did Alessi race the 2011 from the beginning of outdoors? Would a normal model year make the cut off for outdoors and is it that Dungey just needed the dungey edition to be able to do sx? Watching 2010 races and just wondered.

P.s. If Dungey needed the special edition to race his bike, how did roczen and musquin race 250s that were 2013s at the same time without the 2013s being out yet?

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So if Dungey needed the Dungey edition to be sold to race outdoors in 2012, how did Alessi race the 2011 from the beginning of outdoors? Would a normal model year make the cut off for outdoors and is it that Dungey just needed the dungey edition to be able to do sx? Watching 2010 races and just wondered.

P.s. If Dungey needed the special edition to race his bike, how did roczen and musquin race 250s that were 2013s at the same time without the 2013s being out yet?

 

My guess is that KTM got a 1 year exemption from the homologation rule due to the 350 being a new bike.  I'll try to find a reference to it.

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This is all I could find.  I guess it didn't get exempted, but the bike was legal by the start of the MX series.  

 

NEWS FLASH: MXA EXCLUSIVE! IT'S OFFICIAL: Mike Alessi Signs With KTM To Ride A Radical New Factory Bike; All The Details About Supercross, The New Bike And Who He Actually Signed With

(9/30/2009)

NEWS FLASH: MXA EXCLUSIVE! IT'S OFFICIAL: 
MIKE ALESSI SIGNS WITH KTM TO RIDE A RADICAL NEW 350cc FACTORY BIKE


Mike on his KTM back in 2007. 

Despite being away from the outdoor series due to injury since Colorado, Mike Alessi has remained a central figure in the off-track discussions regarding 2010 team rosters. Despite weeks of rumors of a Mike Alessi/KTM reunion that have been floating around for the last few weeks, there hasn't been much concrete info to rely on regarding the super-fast Californian who many thought was on his way to a dominating outdoor season before he injured his knee.

THE DEAL: That all changed today when MXA got some detailed news from a source deep inside the Alessi camp. True to all the speculation and rumor mongering, Mike Alessi will be back on a KTM next year. But that's really the least of the big news. Here's a breakdown of what we found out:

THE TEAM: Unlike his last stint aboard the orange bike, his new deal with KTM will not go through the U.S. office. In fact, earlier this week Mike and his dad Tony flew to Austria to sign a two-year contract with the KTM factory.

NO SUPERCROSS: In what is perhaps the biggest news of all, Mike will not be racing in the 2010 Supercross season and not because he won't be physically fit, but because the bike he is contracted to ride will not be homologated in the U.S. There are loopholes in the AMA homologation rules though, but, in essence, the rule requires that before a bike can be raced, it must be available in significant numbers to the public (200 bikes for small manufacturers and 400 for large manufacturers). The loophole is that the date of inspection of the production numbers is well after the Supercross series starts. The KTM 350SXF will be legal by the start of the 2010 outdoor Nationals. KTM is well aware of the AMA loophole because they used it when the original KTM 250SXF was introduced.



THE 350SXF: We're told that the bike will be an all-new 350cc four-stroke (with a linkage suspension system). It has been seen around SoCal on numerous occasion being tested. “It's really the perfect bike,†our source said. “It's light, fast and I bet in the future no one should be surprised to see all the factories go in this direction. The 450's are just too fast. They're just too much bike and you can see the lap times fall off half way through a race because of that. The KTM 350 has just the right amount of power and it handles really well.

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So if Dungey needed the Dungey edition to be sold to race outdoors in 2012, how did Alessi race the 2011 from the beginning of outdoors? Would a normal model year make the cut off for outdoors and is it that Dungey just needed the dungey edition to be able to do sx? Watching 2010 races and just wondered.

P.s. If Dungey needed the special edition to race his bike, how did roczen and musquin race 250s that were 2013s at the same time without the 2013s being out yet?

In 2010 he raced a 350  and in 2011 he raced a 450. He skipped the supercross series in 2010 because there wasn't enough of them in the country when they had to be so he just raced outdoors. In 2011 he raced the 350 indoors and the 450 out.

 

Dungey got to race the new bike because they were going to have enough bikes in the country by the cut off date. Yes, KTM built a special bike for Dungey because he thought the bikes that Mike and Short were riding were not any good. The bike was already in development, so it wasn't a true Dungey bike. 

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In 2010 he raced a 350  and in 2011 he raced a 450. He skipped the supercross series in 2010 because there wasn't enough of them in the country when they had to be so he just raced outdoors. In 2011 he raced the 350 indoors and the 450 out.

 

Dungey got to race the new bike because they were going to have enough bikes in the country by the cut off date. Yes, KTM built a special bike for Dungey because he thought the bikes that Mike and Short were riding were not any good. The bike was already in development, so it wasn't a true Dungey bike. 

 

Too bad he didn't convince them to switch to Showa, KYB, or Ohlins for their stock suspension.  

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Too bad he didn't convince them to switch to Showa, KYB, or Ohlins for their stock suspension.  

 

They will never switch

 

WP is KTM but I still like to call them 

 

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In 2010 he raced a 350  and in 2011 he raced a 450. He skipped the supercross series in 2010 because there wasn't enough of them in the country when they had to be so he just raced outdoors. In 2011 he raced the 350 indoors and the 450 out.

 

Dungey got to race the new bike because they were going to have enough bikes in the country by the cut off date. Yes, KTM built a special bike for Dungey because he thought the bikes that Mike and Short were riding were not any good. The bike was already in development, so it wasn't a true Dungey bike. 

I understand the "Dungey" edition, but how did the 250 riders also ride 2013s throughout sx in 2012?

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I understand the "Dungey" edition, but how did the 250 riders also ride 2013s throughout sx in 2012?

 

 

I understand the "Dungey" edition, but how did the 250 riders also ride 2013s throughout sx in 2012?

They didn't.  

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It ain't no 2012 unless they swapped all the plastic

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KTM_sx-f_250_roczen_SX_Anaheim1.jpg

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Roger de Coster had to convince Ktm to build the bike because the bike they were going to produce was not good enough for Dungey to compete. If you look real close its a single cam engine. Something completely differant than anything KTM ever built. Roger had to hand build most of the parts to get the bike homologated. Watch it ln Moto Inside the outdoors season 4 episode 6 "the dream"ImageUploadedByThumper Talk1408669722.451668.jpg

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It ain't no 2012 unless they swapped all the plastic

KTM_sx-f_250_roczen_US_SX_Anaheim1.jpg

KTM_sx-f_250_roczen_SX_Anaheim1.jpg

after looking at the 2012 vs. 2013 engines side by side that roczen bike was a 2012 with 13 plastics. you can tell by the kickstarter area that is still there on the 2012s and on that roczen bike when the 13 they had got rid of the old kickstarter area. and the 13s oil filter is clearly seen on the front of the motor on the left side when the roczen bike is it not there. also the 12 and 13 water pumps are different and the roczen bike has the 12 water pump. well that clears that up they just switched plastics

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after looking at the 2012 vs. 2013 engines side by side that roczen bike was a 2012 with 13 plastics. you can tell by the kickstarter area that is still there on the 2012s and on that roczen bike when the 13 they had got rid of the old kickstarter area. and the 13s oil filter is clearly seen on the front of the motor on the left side when the roczen bike is it not there. also the 12 and 13 water pumps are different and the roczen bike has the 12 water pump. well that clears that up they just switched plastics

You are correct sir

Good catch

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Ken roczen rode the 2013 250 as #70 in sx and mx that year.

go to 24:05 and going to tell me thats not a 2013 at the first round of his lites sx.

It was a 12 chassis with 13 plastic.

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