We discussed this on another thread briefly. But how does Beta compare to the other brands? I couldn't sell my kid's KTM 150XC (he got a new Xtrainer, so he wasn't too disappointed) and ended up trading it for a XR650 because I wanted something to lug around on back roads etc. I could have bought a new 500RS for $8800 which was a really good deal, but it was $1800 more than the old "lead sled" and the dealer had no desire to have a KTM on the floor. Would the Beta be a better bike?... duh. But the XR will get me where I'm going and I still have the 300RR for the hills. So, how much are Beta and other brands knocking off list for their products? Like I said in another thread, you can wait around and find a leftover KTM, but Beta is another story. There are some out there.