RaceTech Gold Valve Questions -2016 Rmz450

[xxcody2gunsxx]

Update :
 After Some tinkering I found that having pressure in the outer Chamber causes too much stiction and throws off rider feedback .  Once I relieved the outer Chamber of pressure the forks and bike started giving me positive feedback in adjustments according to terrain and ride . 

Edited March 30, 2017 by xxcody2gunsxx

[ac717]

Here is an App to help with air settings. https://www.showa1.com/en/technology/motorcycle/sff-air_support.html

[RT_Chris448]

I just came across this thread.  Thank you to those who have helped out thus far.

 

Cody, I'm sorry your experience hasn't been exactly as you intended.  I would like to help if I can.

 

If you can send me over the settings you've tried (along with air pressures) and feedback on those settings; I'd be happy to have our R&D department put a setting together for you to get you in the direction you're trying to go.  My email is chris@racetech.com, and if you fire me over an email I will get you my personal cell number as well to help you through any questions you have.

[xxcody2gunsxx]

9 hours ago, RT_Chris448 said:

I just came across this thread.  Thank you to those who have helped out thus far.

 

Cody, I'm sorry your experience hasn't been exactly as you intended.  I would like to help if I can.

 

If you can send me over the settings you've tried (along with air pressures) and feedback on those settings; I'd be happy to have our R&D department put a setting together for you to get you in the direction you're trying to go.  My email is chris@racetech.com, and if you fire me over an email I will get you my personal cell number as well to help you through any questions you have.

Thanks Chris . Going for a morning Ride and will report back .

[xxcody2gunsxx]

Gone on a few rides since my attempt to contact RT_Chris448 .Still waiting to hear back but I have been in contact with Mike Crow from Racetech . He believed that I'm dealing with a Float problem and suggested to increase the float .1-.15mm and lower the forks flush from the top of the triple tree . I've done this but the small bumps are still chattery but this is with  front and rear .I noticed that when I was riding through the trails 3rd-4th gear at speed I felt hard spikes in the front  I haven't felt before . I'm thinking of opening the float more and also thinking of stiffening the midvalve comp a little .
 My naive reasoning with this is to fix some of this this chatter in the front  and figured that maybe stiffening the midvalve will give me more consistent feedback and how hard or soft the travel will be and I can use the clickers from that point .
As it stands now for the front 12-14 clicks out compression feels good at slow speed and 6-8 clicks out feels good High speed ,13 clicks Rebound
 The rear I have set at 1-3/4 turns out  HS  , 12 clicks LS ,12 Rebound 105mm race sag 

Edited April 8, 2017 by xxcody2gunsxx

[tsouth556]

What air pressure are you running?

[xxcody2gunsxx]

6 hours ago, tsouth556 said:

What air pressure are you running?

The last ride it was set at 189 Inner  0 outer and 198 balance 

 

[tsouth556]

How much do you weigh?

Also if you have any post a picture of your compression valve assembled just to verify it is properly installed as well. With .5 float it shouldn't be harsh but you are running a air fork. My 16 Kawasaki felt decent and once I switched to a spring kit it was night and day different and super plush!

[xxcody2gunsxx]

1 hour ago, tsouth556 said:

How much do you weigh?

Also if you have any post a picture of your compression valve assembled just to verify it is properly installed as well. With .5 float it shouldn't be harsh but you are running a air fork. My 16 Kawasaki felt decent and once I switched to a spring kit it was night and day different and super plush!

 Im 6'4" and weigh about 215 lbs  

Thats good to hear .I've have been thinking about the spring conversion kit . its just to many variables with the air fork .
 I just got done reassembling the fork a few minutes ago and I dont have any pictures of the compression side though I'm confident its installed installed right and the Piston itself is correct .
 After some sleep and much thinking I decided to try out a slight less float .4mm gap in combination of two stack codes softer on the low speed mid valve compression from ML1503 to ML 1501  but leaving the hi-speed alone at MH23 . 
 I also decided to move two stack codes softer on low and high speed  of the Compression Valve Stack.
 I did this for two reasons . One is , at the time when I Filled in the DVS specs I had a oversized tank but have removed it and have the standard tank on now and the other is Tried going one stack stiffer for both low speed and high speed earlier this week and it made things more harsh complicated to dial in .
 So I went from CL1513 to CL1511  Lo-speed compression and from CH53 to CH51 High speed .
I also ordered a heavier spring rate spring last night for the rear . I was running a 6.0kg but racetech Calculator states I should go with a 6.3kg  so thats what I ordered .

I might be going in the right direction or in the wrong direction . I keep telling myself to make one change at a time but its getting old taking the fork apart and the bill for oil is getting high . And I just want to ride and enjoy it already .

 

Edited April 8, 2017 by xxcody2gunsxx

[xxcody2gunsxx]

Just got back from some testing and the front is feeling better . I just ordered a Rebound separator for the rear .From the sounds of it I could really benefit from having one . The rebound feels good till I ride through whoops . So I have a 6.3 spring and rebound separator coming .Hopefully this will help the rear . 

[mog]

The rebound separator does not increase rebound? You know that?

[xxcody2gunsxx]

Yep . Their sales pitch sounds like its just what I could use though . 

[tsouth556]

Just as something to compare to. Try it if you would like this is what I would run in your bike.

Comp.
.15x34(9)
.10x26
.15x34
.15x32
.15x30
.15x29
.15x28
.15x27
.15x26
.15x25
.15x24
.15x23
.15x22
.15x20

Rebound
.10x26(10)
.10x15
.10x24
.10x22
.10x20
.10x18
.10x17
.10x16
.10x15
.15X14 (2)

1.3mm bleed

MV Comp
.15x26(2)
.10x14
.15x24
.15x20
.15x16
.15x14
.15x12(2)
.10x14
.20x17

Float at .7mm

[Live2RideRide2Live]

what are your current stacks?

[xxcody2gunsxx]

Thanks Tyler . I'll Disassemble and give it try  .

[xxcody2gunsxx]

MY current stack is :

Compression  
.20x34
.15x34(9)
.10x26
.15x34
.15x32
.15x30
.15x29
.15x28
.15x27
.15x26
.15x25
.15x24
.15x23
.15x22
.15x21
.15x20

Rebound 
.10x26(11) 
.10x15
.10x24
.10x22
.10x20
.10x18
.10x17
.10x16
.10x15
.15X14 (2)

#55 -1.3mm bleed 

MV Comp 
.15x26(1)
.15x24
.15x20
.15x18
.15x16
.15x14
.15x12(2)
.15x14(2)
.10x15
.20x17 

Float at .40mm

Edited April 9, 2017 by xxcody2gunsxx

[Live2RideRide2Live]

17 minutes ago, xxcody2gunsxx said:

MY current stack is :

Compression  
.20x34
.15x34(9)
.10x26
.15x34
.15x32
.15x30
.15x29
.15x28
.15x27
.15x26
.15x25
.15x24
.15x23
.15x22
.15x21
.15x20

Rebound 
.10x26(11) 
.10x15
.10x24
.10x22
.10x20
.10x18
.10x17
.10x16
.10x15
.15X14 (2)

#55 -1.3mm bleed 

MV Comp 
.15x26(1)
.15x24
.15x20
.15x18
.15x16
.15x14
.15x12(2)
.15x14(2)
.10x15
.20x17 

Float at .40mm

are you riding motoross or trails?

 

[xxcody2gunsxx]

31 minutes ago, Dougsey said:

are you riding motoross or trails?

 

Desert Trails . 

[xxcody2gunsxx]

12 hours ago, tsouth556 said:

Just as something to compare to. Try it if you would like this is what I would run in your bike.

Comp.
.15x34(9)
.10x26
.15x34
.15x32
.15x30
.15x29
.15x28
.15x27
.15x26
.15x25
.15x24
.15x23
.15x22
.15x20

Rebound
.10x26(10)
.10x15
.10x24
.10x22
.10x20
.10x18
.10x17
.10x16
.10x15
.15X14 (2)

1.3mm bleed

MV Comp
.15x26(2)
.10x14
.15x24
.15x20
.15x16
.15x14
.15x12(2)
.10x14
.20x17

Float at .7mm

Just got done installing this stack . Going for a ride today so I'll let you know how it works out .
 Since I had the Fork apart I took a picture of the Compression Valve .
 

[tsouth556]

Also forgot to add in the last post I would run these air pressures as well.

185 inner
10 outer
195 balance

With the pressure you were running the fork is going to be held down by the balance pressure being so much greater then the inner pressure. You should run outer pressure to get the fork to ride higher. A good rule of thumb is inner+outer=balance
Also make sure you drain the balance chamber then pressurize inner, outer, balance in that order.