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Just wanted to see what others experiences on this where. For a long time i considered myself an 85% stand 15% sit guy. Felt great in both positions but just had the mind set that standing was the way to go for most of off road. Over the last 8-12 months I have shifted to sitting more. Not because of my age or fitness, but because I'm straight out faster this way. Running more of a 60% stand 40% sit now. Obviously the terrain dictates what I do and I try to do what's appropriate.

 

The thing that has elevated my speed quite a bit lately is cornering. I've gotten much better / confident at leaning the bike way over, kicking a leg out, hammering the rear brake and blasting out in the saddle position. Generally when I need to catch / make up time on a rider in front me this is the method that allows me to get back on them. I usually notice that the rider is standing and giving up time in specific corners.

 

Anyways I'm just curious what others experience are. And is a more balanced stand / sit your more preferred style.

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IMO I try to stand as 90% but really if I was to be honest it would be more 70ish % but it really depends on each ride, terrain etc as you mentioned.

I think that the longer you ride you find out what works best in different situations

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I try to stand most of the time but am finding sitting has helped with a few nasty hill climbs or in extremely low traction situations.  Im incorporating a bit more sitting into my ride but still stand everywhere except where I really need to sit.

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imma woods rider, used to stand most of the time to get better control while riding fast until I switched from a YZ to a WR suspension. Works like magic.

It used to be standing before the jump to sitting before the jump. though not a massive moto jump. I now see the light of good suspension to match one's skill. Quads also took less beating, strain less, less cramps, makes me ride more. 

I'm a convert already, 50/50 from a 90 stand, squat/10sit rider. 

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all depends on the terrain and how hard you feel like riding. I'm def faster standing most of the time but MOST is the operative word. I sit in most corners that aren't sweepers, I think everyone is faster sitting through corners like that. IMO if you're faster sitting in a certain situation either you should be sitting in that situation or you need to work on standing in that situation. There are plenty of situations where its just better to sit. Stand most of the time is a general statement. Also, if you've been riding terrain that requires standing 90% of the time for a long time, it starts to feel weird to sit because you're used to standing.  

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@NW_drZ

I sit to corner too. I was riding some singo on Friday and I was standing-sitting-standing so often I thought I might have been doing a variation of a pushup.

I wondered about this EXACT thing, because a lot of advice on here is to stand...  

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1 hour ago, BushPig said:

@NW_drZ

I sit to corner too. I was riding some singo on Friday and I was standing-sitting-standing so often I thought I might have been doing a variation of a pushup.

I wondered about this EXACT thing, because a lot of advice on here is to stand...  

I'm mostly a stand-up rider, when I do sit, it's usually because the trail is too overgrown to stand. I do sit during hard accelerations or on wide sweepers where I'm on the gas hard.

For me, standing through a corner wasn't something I was totally comfortable with until I got into trials and did the cross-training thing. I can kick the back out or put a lot of weight on front while standing and it feels totally natural.

A really under-rated technique to learn is the stoppie...while I never use it outside of training or showing off, it really helped me figure out how to make the front bite in coming into a turn.

As far as transitioning between sitting/standing... sitting forward on the seat makes it an easier transition to standing. Uses your quads more instead of your arms. Besides, you should have you weight forward if you truly need to sit IMO.

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See comments in your post. 

2 hours ago, Sierra_rider said:

I'm mostly a stand-up rider, when I do sit, it's usually because the trail is too overgrown to stand. I do sit during hard accelerations or on wide sweepers where I'm on the gas hard.

For me, standing through a corner wasn't something I was totally comfortable with until I got into trials and did the cross-training thing. I can kick the back out or put a lot of weight on front while standing and it feels totally natural. - I am fine sliding and cornering standing. Its more a question of whats FASTER?

A really under-rated technique to learn is the stoppie...while I never use it outside of training or showing off, it really helped me figure out how to make the front bite in coming into a turn. - Yes, it helps load up the forks and the tire. Sorta makes it squish into the dirt.

As far as transitioning between sitting/standing... sitting forward on the seat makes it an easier transition to standing. Uses your quads more instead of your arms. Besides, you should have you weight forward if you truly need to sit IMO. - Yes, when sitting it was bawls on the tank (in a porno voice) 

I still feel like its easier to get around the corners sitting because you can really be on the front. When standing I make sure to really push my knee into it (whilst standing on the outside) to try and lay the bike without being low myself. 

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You have ridden with me before and if you noticed I sit a lot. I stand when I need to , squat over the seat and sit.

I've been told before if I would learn to ride "proper " I would right up there with the real fast guys. I've been forcing myself to stand more while cornering but I'm still faster sitting or squatting thru the corners.  Now I'm not talking the gentle sweeping corners but the sharp or s type corners.

Honestly I don't care what other people think I just want to be a better , faster rider.

You need to find what works for you. Maybe sitting thru some of the corners works better in some situations.

Don't feel like you're taking a step back by sitting more . Just don't get lazy and actually take a step back 

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3 minutes ago, Monk said:

 

Sit, throttle on... 

Cool Cool. I have been riding them both standing and sitting. I notice its easier to blast them sitting.

Would you say it's worth practicing these 1st/2nd corners standing for the hell of it?

And in summary:

So basically where possible MX style them?

Stand all else.

This has been my philosphy so far. but I was wondering.

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Only times I sit is on smooth, slowish straights in the woods to relax for a minute, or on tighter turns. 

Other than that, I stand. Most of my trails are really rocky and I'd be exhausted if I tried to sit through it. Also like to stand on high speed straights, gives me more control in case I suddenly come across a rock that kicks my rear end up

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20 hours ago, BushPig said:

Cool Cool. I have been riding them both standing and sitting. I notice its easier to blast them sitting.

Would you say it's worth practicing these 1st/2nd corners standing for the hell of it?

And in summary:

So basically where possible MX style them?

Stand all else.

This has been my philosphy so far. but I was wondering.

Sitting allows you to lean the bike over further. The more you are leaned the faster you can change direction ie turn. This is most effective when you have something to bank off of, like a rut or berm. 

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21 hours ago, Monk said:

Gotta stand... 

 

The only 2 things I like about Monk is he's a man of few words and when he posts a vid, nice and short and he does make his point :)

 

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1 hour ago, filterx said:

The only 2 things I like about Monk is he's a man of few words and when he posts a vid, nice and short and he does make his point :)

 

LOL. I'm sure that came out differently to how it was meant.

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This thread is sort of funny to me. I've long been a big proponent of sitting as often as you can, but the stand all the time crowd tells me I'm dumb. I'm probably in the 60/40 range. I find on steep hills and fast turns sitting is preferable for control and traction, and if I'm blasting along sitting is the way to rest.

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It has recently dawned on me that sitting is very common in lots of the enduro races I watch on youtube. Sometimes it's hard to tell what the one wearing the gopro is doing..... but those other riders captured on camera are sitting most of the time.  Pay attention to this as you watch the next few and see if they are not sitting much more than you expected. I'm no pro, so not one to give info, but I'm 50/50

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