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Hi all,

My 2006 wr450 is hard to get to neutral. The clutch cable is in spec. I can get it to neutral easily if the bike is rolling. However, when the bike is not moving, it's super hard to get into neutral. Also, the hotter it is the harder to get into neutral. Any ideas? Should I do the Swiss cheese mod? Dunno if this matters but I'm running rotella t6 diesel oil

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Your Clutch basket and inner hub may be worn. this would keep the plates riding in a groove and not allow them to separate freely.

Pull the clutch cover and inspect for gorges in the basket.

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Ouch! Sounds like an expensive fix. Will look at it tomorrow and update.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Not expensive if you catch it early and are handy with a file.

If you do some filing take time to keep the  surface with the notches flat and square without changing the angle of the flat surfaces.

This can be easily achieved with a long file and use the basket finger on the opposite side to keep the file flat and level as you file two fingers at one time,

The inner hub is more difficult but can be done with a small thin file held flat to the bearing side of the tooth. Keep in mind the inner hub is much cheaper than the basket.

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Just out of curiosity, if this was the case and I was successful filing it. Is there any way of preventing this to happen again in the future?

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2 hours ago, m3ntor said:

Just out of curiosity, if this was the case and I was successful filing it. Is there any way of preventing this to happen again in the future?

If it is clutch basket wear,there is little you can do. This happens on lots of bikes that get used from road bikes to off road bikes,it's just normal wear and tear.

you could replace the inner hub and basket with good quality aftermarket items which would possibly last longer than the stock items,but give it time and the same will happen.

as already said if it's not to far gone,the file idea will be a cheap fix.

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It's normally not grooves. It's usually the metal plates in between the fiber clutch plates are warped. They are very easy to replace and are not too expensive but get original Yamaha and not Chinese. 

Note: If there is a Chinese clutch pack in there that is likely your problem. 

For $122. You can get a new factory Yamaha clutch pack. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272803817242?dispItem=1&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-117182-37290-0%2F2%3Fmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike%252F272803817242%253Fchn%253Dps%2526dispItem%253D1%26itemid%3D272803817242%26targetid%3D322818324656%26device%3Dm%26adtype%3Dpla%26googleloc%3D9031004%26poi%3D%26campaignid%3D853313736%26adgroupid%3D41805390205%26rlsatarget%3Dpla-322818324656%26abcId%3D1128836%26merchantid%3D111873349%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMIvpGMuteQ1gIVhrjACh2yMw0DEAQYASABEgJdhPD_BwE%26srcrot%3D711-117182-37290-0%26rvr_id%3D1303057417954&chn=ps&dispItem=1&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-117182-37290-0%2F2%3Fmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike%252F272803817242%253Fchn%253Dps%2526dispItem%253D1%26itemid%3D272803817242%26targetid%3D322818324656%26device%3Dm%26adtype%3Dpla%26googleloc%3D9031004%26poi%3D%26campaignid%3D853313736%26adgroupid%3D41805390205%26rlsatarget%3Dpla-322818324656%26abcId%3D1128836%26merchantid%3D111873349%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMIvpGMuteQ1gIVhrjACh2yMw0DEAQYASABEgJdhPD_BwE%26srcrot%3D711-117182-37290-0%26rvr_id%3D1303057417954&ul_noapp=true

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It's normally not grooves. It's usually the metal plates in between the fiber clutch plates are warped. They are very easy to replace and are not too expensive but get original Yamaha and not Chinese. 
Note: If there is a Chinese clutch pack in there that is likely your problem. 
For $122. You can get a new factory Yamaha clutch pack. 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272803817242?dispItem=1&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-117182-37290-0%2F2%3Fmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike%252F272803817242%253Fchn%253Dps%2526dispItem%253D1%26itemid%3D272803817242%26targetid%3D322818324656%26device%3Dm%26adtype%3Dpla%26googleloc%3D9031004%26poi%3D%26campaignid%3D853313736%26adgroupid%3D41805390205%26rlsatarget%3Dpla-322818324656%26abcId%3D1128836%26merchantid%3D111873349%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMIvpGMuteQ1gIVhrjACh2yMw0DEAQYASABEgJdhPD_BwE%26srcrot%3D711-117182-37290-0%26rvr_id%3D1303057417954&chn=ps&dispItem=1&ul_ref=http%3A%2F%2Frover.ebay.com%2Frover%2F1%2F711-117182-37290-0%2F2%3Fmpre%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ebay.com%252Fitm%252Flike%252F272803817242%253Fchn%253Dps%2526dispItem%253D1%26itemid%3D272803817242%26targetid%3D322818324656%26device%3Dm%26adtype%3Dpla%26googleloc%3D9031004%26poi%3D%26campaignid%3D853313736%26adgroupid%3D41805390205%26rlsatarget%3Dpla-322818324656%26abcId%3D1128836%26merchantid%3D111873349%26gclid%3DEAIaIQobChMIvpGMuteQ1gIVhrjACh2yMw0DEAQYASABEgJdhPD_BwE%26srcrot%3D711-117182-37290-0%26rvr_id%3D1303057417954&ul_noapp=true



But wouldn't that effect everything? My shifting is completely fine except for finding neutral.

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1 minute ago, m3ntor said:

 

 


But wouldn't that effect everything? My shifting is completely fine except for finding neutral.

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It usually just drags more than stock making finding neutral hard and sometimes it creeps a little in gear. Shifting and everything else would be fine. If you take it apart just look for blued metal plates, it usually means they are warped. 

I have done many many WR Yamaha's and a new clutch pack is always the ticket. Especially in a 06' and not knowing if someone put Chinese plates in there. 

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It usually just drags more than stock making finding neutral hard and sometimes it creeps a little in gear. Shifting and everything else would be fine. If you take it apart just look for blued metal plates, it usually means they are warped. 
I have done many many WR Yamaha's and a new clutch pack is always the ticket. Especially in a 06' and not knowing if someone put Chinese plates in there. 



Thanks for the tip. Will look at it today and post pics

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The clutch basket and inner hub are definitely worn. I can feel most of them with my hand but it's a bit hard to see with a camera. Dunno if it's too late but it doesn't feel like a whole lot has been eaten from the basket and hub. Will post updates tomorrow when I get a socket that will fit the big bolt in the middle. 20170906_205420.jpg20170906_205350.jpg

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Hub is fine

Basket might need replacing; hard to see

Any grooves at all will hinder disengagement. You can file out grooves less than .25 mm

Beyond that it causes other issues

Most likely your hub cushions (back side) are fine

I would put in new oem plates regardless

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I think wr clutches dras like crazy, my bike is brand new id be very curious to hear what resolves the issue.

my free play is adjusted almost as tight as it will go cause that feels the best. Ive taken a look at my clutch recently everything seems fine basket, plates etc. could be something called a "judder spring" driving me crazy it basically hangs out in about the middle of the stack and keeps pressure on the plates at all times

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8 minutes ago, cxr100 said:

I think wr clutches dras like crazy, my bike is brand new id be very curious to hear what resolves the issue.

my free play is adjusted almost as tight as it will go cause that feels the best. Ive taken a look at my clutch recently everything seems fine basket, plates etc. could be something called a "judder spring" driving me crazy it basically hangs out in about the middle of the stack and keeps pressure on the plates at all times

Aftermarket plates or factory Yamaha plates?

I have a built 07 that's been through a war (me and two kids) and the only thing that was done to fix the draging clutch is new factory plates. 

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its still got the original plates that were in it when i bought it new last year. im willing to try a new clutch kit or just plates. personally i would rather try not oem probably ebc, hinson, maybe even proX. what makes oem better?

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4 hours ago, cxr100 said:

its still got the original plates that were in it when i bought it new last year. im willing to try a new clutch kit or just plates. personally i would rather try not oem probably ebc, hinson, maybe even proX. what makes oem better?

Well it's the Chinese or cheap made Japanese that are not up to par and usually drag when new. 

I have personally used the Hinson and have read they are very high quality Japanese made. They did not drag when new. The only thing that I did not use on the Hinson kit were the springs as they were for a YZ and way too stiff. I used my old springs and they did not slip. 

Both the Hinson and factory Yamaha kits worked in all the YZ's and WR's I have done. I do not think you can get higher quality then either of them. 

I do not know or have used the Pro X however I believe they are also a good brand of Japanese plates. I would be a little more leary of the ebc plates but who knows. Just don't use Tusk or Vesrah as I believe they are Chinese. 

Let us know what you choose and what works for you. 

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