superdutyscaler

USA DRZ400E off road only to a KTM 500 EXC-F

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2 hours ago, superdutyscaler said:

And the E is way more powerful than the S or SM. Better carb, better factory exhaust, better cams, and higher compression...ive driven a S with exhaust (I don't know what else though) and it felt like a 100cc kids bike conpared to my E 

Keep in mind that the Kick model was around 255lbs.  The E model around 275lbs and the S model is over 320lbs easy.  Couple that with gearing changes between the two, the S being extra restricted and lean(carb tuning makes a big difference stock) they can feel like totally different bikes.  But they are the same with different parts.  I have 2 identical KTMs.  One with a high comp motor, flywheel weight, different exhaust. 13-53 gearing.  Another bone stock and 14-50 gearing.  They feel very different too....

 

I had a "stock" S for a long time.  Modded it, ridden several big bore DRZs, and others at various levels of power from stock 33hp to 50hp ones.  The DRZ is like a build your own adventure bike.  I think you are underselling an S model and over selling your E model.  having ridden both I would say a stock S with knobbies and the right gearing(14/47 or so) will feel okay off road but the weight is the kicker.  If you get your E legal with DOT lights, brake light switches, horn,(S has a fan) etc they will be similar in weight(except the stock headlight is a brick).

 

This was one of the last vids i did on my S before i sold it.  Just riding a fire road but its no 100cc bike.  I also had an rmz450 at the same time and i can tell you the difference between the rmz450 and the drz 400(mine was a tad bit more than a stock E) was way more than an E vs S.  just an FYI.

 

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1 hour ago, Bermudacat said:

Nope, no argument necessary, the dyno curve tells all there is to tell. I had an S with stock cams some time ago. I am talking from experience. :smirk:

One picture is worth a thousand words. I rest my case. 

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1 minute ago, kcomst said:

One picture is worth a thousand words. I rest my case. 

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A graph with no numbers, nice!

Your participation trophy is on it's way. :lol:

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33 minutes ago, shift1313 said:

Keep in mind that the Kick model was around 255lbs.  The E model around 275lbs and the S model is over 320lbs easy.  Couple that with gearing changes between the two, the S being extra restricted and lean(carb tuning makes a big difference stock) they can feel like totally different bikes.  But they are the same with different parts.  I have 2 identical KTMs.  One with a high comp motor, flywheel weight, different exhaust. 13-53 gearing.  Another bone stock and 14-50 gearing.  They feel very different too....

 

I had a "stock" S for a long time.  Modded it, ridden several big bore DRZs, and others at various levels of power from stock 33hp to 50hp ones.  The DRZ is like a build your own adventure bike.  I think you are underselling an S model and over selling your E model.  having ridden both I would say a stock S with knobbies and the right gearing(14/47 or so) will feel okay off road but the weight is the kicker.  If you get your E legal with DOT lights, brake light switches, horn,(S has a fan) etc they will be similar in weight(except the stock headlight is a brick).

 

This was one of the last vids i did on my S before i sold it.  Just riding a fire road but its no 100cc bike.  I also had an rmz450 at the same time and i can tell you the difference between the rmz450 and the drz 400(mine was a tad bit more than a stock E) was way more than an E vs S.  just an FYI.

 

S or E doesn't matter. You're overrating the DRZ400. Some call it a dirt bike but it isn't. It's a dual sport, almost useless on pure single track offroad and not good for long highway trips (mainly because of the seat, built like a 2x4), but good for what it's made for. An E with cams, exhaust and all the bells and whistles doesn't compare even to a 250 KTM or YZ offroad (because of the weight and inadequate suspension) or a R1 or R6  on the road. What the DRZ is good for is an affordable compromise between the two, great for 4WD roads (like we have here in Colorado), and short trips, plus it will outlast the performance bikes. 

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7 minutes ago, Bermudacat said:

A graph with no numbers, nice!

Your participation trophy is on it's way. :lol:

Here's your numbers. Thank you for the trophy, I most humbly accept. :cool:

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After what you've all said I'm going to try and get the bike "legal" through Vermont or South Dakota like mentioned above. For what I need (drive from house to trails) it's perfect, it has full exhaust 3x3 mod, jetted from eddies recomenditions and the bike has been perfect since I rolled her off the showroom floor in 2003. And then ill still habe my rmz450 for the tract....if it doesn't work I WILL BE BUYING THE KTM 500 within the next month and trading or selling my other two bikes 

I think you'll be happy with the KTM. Some people just aren't comfortable working on motors, I get it. Plus a 40 HP E is allot of bike for tight trails. A 50 hp S would probably be miserable IMO. I couldn't imagine trying to ride an S that has the power of my SM on the same trails I ride my YZ and Beta on.

 

I will give you 1 more warning though. KTM has a new frame and 450 motor coming. I expect to see it released on the 2018.5 Factory Edition right before the start of the Supercross season. I may be wrong but I think the 500 is based off the 450 and when the 450 gets updated so does that 500. It might be worth holding out a year for something even better than this year's model.

 

 

 

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I've got an S, flirting with 50hp. No problem on tight trails. Will always be Humpty Dumpty though.

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I don't know what the power is on my E model with whats done to it but I have no problems handling the bike on bar tight single track all day, or when we go to Pa in the mountains with rocks everywhere. Yes it's way heavier than my 07 rmz450 but once your on it riding, that weight seems to disappear to me anyways 

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And I don't see what's wrong with the suspension? Once you spring it for your weight and gear and have it valved the suspension is just as good as any other bike stock or tuned

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22 hours ago, kcomst said:

Here's your numbers. Thank you for the trophy, I most humbly accept. :cool:

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14k :D

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15 hours ago, ohiodrz400sm said:


Nice bullshit numbers

 

22 hours ago, kcomst said:

Here's your numbers. Thank you for the trophy, I most humbly accept. :cool:

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So the red line with a peak at 48 hp is stock cams, and the blue line with peak at 34 hp is 'E' cams??    The 'E' makes 14 hp less?   Seems inconsistent with the 'E' reputation for more power.

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13 hours ago, superdutyscaler said:

And I don't see what's wrong with the suspension? Once you spring it for your weight and gear and have it valved the suspension is just as good as any other bike stock or tuned

Most people just ride a bike that was valved for somebody else, because they don't know any better. :excuseme:

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18 hours ago, danfarson said:

 

So the red line with a peak at 48 hp is stock cams, and the blue line with peak at 34 hp is 'E' cams??    The 'E' makes 14 hp less?   Seems inconsistent with the 'E' reputation for more power.

The entire graph is baloney. All other things being equal, an unmodified E is more powerful than an unmodified S. 

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