2 hours ago, superdutyscaler said: And the E is way more powerful than the S or SM. Better carb, better factory exhaust, better cams, and higher compression...ive driven a S with exhaust (I don't know what else though) and it felt like a 100cc kids bike conpared to my E Keep in mind that the Kick model was around 255lbs. The E model around 275lbs and the S model is over 320lbs easy. Couple that with gearing changes between the two, the S being extra restricted and lean(carb tuning makes a big difference stock) they can feel like totally different bikes. But they are the same with different parts. I have 2 identical KTMs. One with a high comp motor, flywheel weight, different exhaust. 13-53 gearing. Another bone stock and 14-50 gearing. They feel very different too.... I had a "stock" S for a long time. Modded it, ridden several big bore DRZs, and others at various levels of power from stock 33hp to 50hp ones. The DRZ is like a build your own adventure bike. I think you are underselling an S model and over selling your E model. having ridden both I would say a stock S with knobbies and the right gearing(14/47 or so) will feel okay off road but the weight is the kicker. If you get your E legal with DOT lights, brake light switches, horn,(S has a fan) etc they will be similar in weight(except the stock headlight is a brick). This was one of the last vids i did on my S before i sold it. Just riding a fire road but its no 100cc bike. I also had an rmz450 at the same time and i can tell you the difference between the rmz450 and the drz 400(mine was a tad bit more than a stock E) was way more than an E vs S. just an FYI.