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Honda has burnt all the blueprints for 2-stroke MX bikes and want to forget that era,

there's a much greater chance you'll see Honda electric motocross bikes in the future.

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It's as real as a $3 dollar bill..   Unless you see an official announcement from Honda that They're bringing back the 2 stroke I wouldn't put to much stock into it.  

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On 11/12/2017 at 10:05 PM, Smokin CR 125R said:

We could only hope........

Honda better wake up and do it....I will NEVER own or ride a 4 stroke piece of crap................

I'm with you bro. I HATE 4 strokes. EVERYONE knows 2 strokes smoke 4 strokes on a race track. Why would anyone choose a 4 stroke over a 2 stroke in a racing environment? The answer is... no one DOES choose 4 strokes. Enviro-nazi's FORCE you to ride 4 strokes. Stupid bull****.  F'n global warming socialist scam artist enviro-nazi's are the cause of this evil. I ask everyone this: Would you rather ride a bike that's faster on acceleration out of a corner and sounds like an angry bee wizzing around the track? Or, would you rather ride a slow piece of crap bike that can't barely pull a wheelie and sounds like it's farting all the way around the track?

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1 hour ago, PigHead said:

I'm with you bro. I HATE 4 strokes. EVERYONE knows 2 strokes smoke 4 strokes on a race track. Why would anyone choose a 4 stroke over a 2 stroke in a racing environment? The answer is... no one DOES choose 4 strokes. Enviro-nazi's FORCE you to ride 4 strokes. Stupid bull****.  F'n global warming socialist scam artist enviro-nazi's are the cause of this evil. I ask everyone this: Would you rather ride a bike that's faster on acceleration out of a corner and sounds like an angry bee wizzing around the track? Or, would you rather ride a slow piece of crap bike that can't barely pull a wheelie and sounds like it's farting all the way around the track?

You obviously have not rode a modern 450 lol :ride: admire your twostroke love tho I remember those days :thumbsup:

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1 hour ago, PigHead said:

I'm with you bro. I HATE 4 strokes. EVERYONE knows 2 strokes smoke 4 strokes on a race track. Why would anyone choose a 4 stroke over a 2 stroke in a racing environment? The answer is... no one DOES choose 4 strokes. Enviro-nazi's FORCE you to ride 4 strokes. Stupid bull****.  F'n global warming socialist scam artist enviro-nazi's are the cause of this evil. I ask everyone this: Would you rather ride a bike that's faster on acceleration out of a corner and sounds like an angry bee wizzing around the track? Or, would you rather ride a slow piece of crap bike that can't barely pull a wheelie and sounds like it's farting all the way around the track?

Well said..................

You forgot to add heavy ass 4 stroke pig...........

Hell some newer model 4 strokes even gain more pounds per year...........

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9 minutes ago, Motox367 said:

You obviously have not rode a modern 450 lol :ride: admire your twostroke love tho I remember those days :thumbsup:

I rode one....was NOT impressed at all......Heavy ass/ill handling machine.....

A good rider on a well tuned CR 125 can beat a 450 troll machine on the track...Pretty bad when a guy on a 2 stroke 125 can beat the 450 4 stroke pig..........................

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Yeah thats why every race team converted to 4 strokes over 10 years ago. Get with the times man. I love a 2 stroke as much as the next guy but the modern 4 strokes are leaps and bounds ahead of the old 2 stroke race bikes. 

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11 minutes ago, Smokin CR 125R said:

I rode one....was NOT impressed at all......Heavy ass/ill handling machine.....

A good rider on a well tuned CR 125 can beat a 450 troll machine on the track...Pretty bad when a guy on a 2 stroke 125 can beat the 450 4 stroke pig..........................

You can win novice classes on any size bike yes

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Yeah, and four strokes are for lazy riders and they cost too much to keep up🙄

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8 minutes ago, tmeyer37 said:

Yeah thats why every race team converted to 4 strokes over 10 years ago. Get with the times man. I love a 2 stroke as much as the next guy but the modern 4 strokes are leaps and bounds ahead of the old 2 stroke race bikes. 

I'm pretty sure it was the AMA themselves under political influence of global environmentalists that pushed the 4 stroke garbage on the American race circuits. Every hear of the Kyoto protocol? It was Japan signing on to this nonsense in a HUGE way that sounded the death knell for 2 stroke bike production. Pretty sure that's why race teams have converted to 4 strokes.

Wikipedia: Kyoto Protocol

The Kyoto Protocol is an international treaty which extends the 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change that commits State Parties to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, based on the scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and it is extremely likely that human-made CO2 emissions have predominantly caused it.

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15 hours ago, PigHead said:

I'm pretty sure it was the AMA themselves under political influence of global environmentalists that pushed the 4 stroke garbage on the American race circuits. Every hear of the Kyoto protocol? It was Japan signing on to this nonsense in a HUGE way that sounded the death knell for 2 stroke bike production. Pretty sure that's why race teams have converted to 4 strokes.

Wikipedia: Kyoto Protocol

The Kyoto Protocol is an international treaty which extends the 1992 United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change that commits State Parties to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, based on the scientific consensus that global warming is occurring and it is extremely likely that human-made CO2 emissions have predominantly caused it.

While yes I am sure there were political moves for the AMA to do so there is nothing anywhere that is banning 2 strokes from competition. The modern four strokes caught up to and surpassed 2 stroke bikes especially in motocross/supercross. If this was not the case then why would amateur pros not held back by factory team politics use a 4 stroke over a newer 2 stroke. KTM is still putting R&D into 2 strokes and arguably have the most modern and up to date 2 strokes yet racers still chose a 250f or 450f. I know people will not agree because there is this nostalgia with 2 strokes and I get it, but I can tell you from experience from someone who has ridden countless hours on both 2 and 4 stroke the 4 stroke has a more linear pull and overall better engine feel compared to a 2 stroke. 

At the same time I agree that the 2 strokes have their benefits as well but overall I still prefer the thumper. 

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16 hours ago, PigHead said:

I'm pretty sure it was the AMA themselves under political influence of global environmentalists that pushed the 4 stroke garbage on the American race circuits. Every hear of the Kyoto protocol? It was Japan signing on to this nonsense in a HUGE way that sounded the death knell for 2 stroke bike production. Pretty sure that's why race teams have converted to 4 strokes.

The race teams switched to 4 strokes because the MANUFACTURERS switched their focus to 4 strokes. ZERO to do with a "global environmentalist" movement.

The Fuel Injected 2 stroke however was created to keep up with the environmental standards that are coming down the line. 

There is no AMA rule anywhere that "bans" 2 strokes from competition and both KTM and Husky put their 2-strokes through homologation every year making them eligible for "Pro" competition.... still zero riders on them. 

Additionally, in off-road, where the rules have never changed and there is no homologation required, we still see all of our National Champions on 4 strokes. Not 1 single KX or CR 500 in the bunch. 

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4 hours ago, Erek Kudla said:

The race teams switched to 4 strokes because the MANUFACTURERS switched their focus to 4 strokes. ZERO to do with a "global environmentalist" movement.

The Fuel Injected 2 stroke however was created to keep up with the environmental standards that are coming down the line. 

There is no AMA rule anywhere that "bans" 2 strokes from competition and both KTM and Husky put their 2-strokes through homologation every year making them eligible for "Pro" competition.... still zero riders on them. 

Additionally, in off-road, where the rules have never changed and there is no homologation required, we still see all of our National Champions on 4 strokes. Not 1 single KX or CR 500 in the bunch. 

I think I read somewhere that most AMA endorsed MX events are in California. California has the some of the strictest "perceived" environmental standards and smog control standards in the nation. And as you know, Japan, home of the big 4, is totally committed to nutty environmental regulations. I do not believe it is a coincidence that the big 4 finally stopped major production of 2 strokes bikes. You said the teams switched to 4 strokes because the manufactures switched their focus to 4 strokes? What I'm getting at is WHY the manufacturers switched to 4 strokes and WHY 2 stokes went by the way side. And I definitely believe it's totally political/environmental and little to do with rider preference.

I believe that in a fantasy hypothetical, if suddenly the big 4 in Japan just suddenly started producing all classes of 2 stroke bikes again, and the AMA decided to endorse 2 stroke only events for every class, that No. 1... fan turnout would be huge, and No. 2... riders would be singing the praises of 2 stroke events and you would hear riders that were formerly racing 4 strokes starting to verbally dump on 4 strokes. 

What if for instance the big 4 bike manufacturers figured out a way to go totally green and made all electric dirt bikes? Electric vehicles are phenomenally quick, and fast. But from a fan at a race event's standpoint, how fun would it be to go to a race where there are 20,000 people in a stadium and all you can here is people talking to each other and the faint sound of gears whirring around in the gear boxes on the stadium floor? That would kinda suck. People like fast and loud. It's more exciting. For the fans, and for the riders. Slow and farting? Not so much.

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If you believe in unicorns, mermaids and jackalopes, then maybe.

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