Originally posted by thumper4life: hahahaha! no ruts in the jumps?! why dont you come up here to michigan and ride a nice soft track? i LOVE being able to rail that nice soft dirt burm! the only problem is makin sure you hit a rut on the jump. its quite hard for me Are you serious? Maybe I just haven't noticed them. Are yall talkin about the little ruts at the very top of the jumps? I might have mis understood. I thought yall were talkin about ruts all the way up the face of the jump (from top to bottom) but if you meant just the top of the jump getting rutted up... bikes make those ruts much worse than quads. I'm not trying to say that one is better than the other, but like I said in a previous post, the bikes make ruts worse due to the narrow singe rear tire that will "dig in" much worse than our 2 wide tires. But yes, we do tend to mess up the bike ruts in the corners.