16 hours ago, shrubitup said: Good point but this pair of Sachs feel great as-is without need for valves and shims. My point is that many claim the Sachs are poor performing but I disagree. Suspension is a bit subjective so I'm just throwing out some more subjectivity here. I think most that are complaining are for the quality issues that come with the Sachs forks. Then it's the ride quality but this aspect is all personal and can with time be set-up controlled.