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13 hours ago, Buttegal said:

I went on a ride today on a gnarly single track, Priest Gulch. I was feeling really good, going up stuff that was very challenging for me. It's a beautiful place in Colorado where the aspen are changing. I don't know what I did, but all of a sudden I was falling downhill off the trail. It was so steep that I and the bike did a couple of somersaults with the bike landing on top of me and my bike pinning my neck on a log. It could have been really bad, but I came out of it just bruised and shaken up. The ride back down to the truck was pretty slow going. I have never been so freaked out riding. By the last mile I was able to ride normally without my heart racing. Have you guys ever taken a fall like that where it totally messed with your head when you got back on the bike? I've had bad falls before, but nothing that shook me up this bad.

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Yes I have had a nasty fall down a hill, where a branch stabbed into my back pack, and pierced my water bladder.  It got stopped by my chest protector, and I just ended up bruised and scared.  Then again this year in Moab, but you knew about that one.  Not trying to  scare you off.  There is even a guy that I rode with out in Moab a couple of years ago, that just got gored thru the neck this last year while out in Montana, ( @Charles De Mar ) AKA Groot... This is a dangerous hobby that we enjoy, for sure, but I would also think there are probably freak accidents even at bowling ally's, maybe even golf courses. And for sure out on the Ski hills, mountain bike paths, and any of the other hobby type activities that are of any interest to myself any way.  

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On 9/28/2018 at 3:57 PM, Buttegal said:

I think CJ and Heavy were talking to me, lol. They love to give me a hard time on here. Sometimes I take the bait and we have a little fun. Sometimes I just get pissed. I think they love it either way. It's all good.

I think it would be fun to ride with you and your wife. Kurt said he can go. I'll pm you my number when I get near a computer.

I'm assuming PM means "private message"? Never used that function before... is it part of this Forum? We are wide open Sat 13th Sun 14th. Leaving Seattle this thursday should be there Monday the 8th.

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Yes I have had a nasty fall down a hill, where a branch stabbed into my back pack, and pierced my water bladder.  It got stopped by my chest protector, and I just ended up bruised and scared.  Then again this year in Moab, but you knew about that one.  Not trying to  scare you off.  There is even a guy that I rode with out in Moab a couple of years ago, that just got gored thru the neck this last year while out in Montana, ( [mention=141324]Charles De Mar[/mention] ) AKA Groot... This is a dangerous hobby that we enjoy, for sure, but I would also think there are probably freak accidents even at bowling ally's, maybe even golf courses. And for sure out on the Ski hills, mountain bike paths, and any of the other hobby type activities that are of any interest to myself any way.  
Fun fact, more people die golfing than any other pastime. Anger combined with obesity. Oh, and lightning.
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Yes I have had a nasty fall down a hill, where a branch stabbed into my back pack, and pierced my water bladder.  It got stopped by my chest protector, and I just ended up bruised and scared.  Then again this year in Moab, but you knew about that one.  Not trying to  scare you off.  There is even a guy that I rode with out in Moab a couple of years ago, that just got gored thru the neck this last year while out in Montana, ( [mention=141324]Charles De Mar[/mention] ) AKA Groot... This is a dangerous hobby that we enjoy, for sure, but I would also think there are probably freak accidents even at bowling ally's, maybe even golf courses. And for sure out on the Ski hills, mountain bike paths, and any of the other hobby type activities that are of any interest to myself any way.  
I didn't hear about Charles. That sounds awful. He and I tried to get together to ride while he was in Utah. Then he messaged me that he moved back to Montana to see if I wanted to ride there, but I had already moved to Colorado. It's hard to match schedules with people.

Speaking of that... I want to do a week long ride in Moab next spring and a week long ride in Taylor Park next summer. I would love to ride with a group if anyone else is interested. I plan way ahead where most people don't, but keep it in mind. I'm flexible on dates as I quit my full time job and am substitute teaching part time. I've never quit a job after 30 days, but it was a very bad situation. Anyway, I'm free to play a little and have a balanced life instead of working 70 hours a week and commuting another 7.5 hours a week.
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I'm assuming PM means "private message"? Never used that function before... is it part of this Forum? We are wide open Sat 13th Sun 14th. Leaving Seattle this thursday should be there Monday the 8th.
Ya, private messae. I just sent you one. You should get a notification or at least see a little 1 next to the message icon.

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I was the young fella riding yesterday. Made a 140 mile dirt road and minimum maintenance 2 track road loop with Jim L and Leon. Jim is the first half of Letko Cycles, long time KC dirt enthusiast shop. Opened in 1969 as a Penton dealership and seems like they have carried every euro and specialist brand since. Lot of great spots including a ranch founded in 1860 (longhorns!) but these guys aren't about hanging about so I didn't get any photos. Great to ride with a guy I've been doing business with for 35 years

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3 hours ago, Buttegal said:

I didn't hear about Charles. That sounds awful. He and I tried to get together to ride while he was in Utah. Then he messaged me that he moved back to Montana to see if I wanted to ride there, but I had already moved to Colorado. It's hard to match schedules with people.

Speaking of that... I want to do a week long ride in Moab next spring and a week long ride in Taylor Park next summer. I would love to ride with a group if anyone else is interested. I plan way ahead where most people don't, but keep it in mind. I'm flexible on dates as I quit my full time job and am substitute teaching part time. I've never quit a job after 30 days, but it was a very bad situation. Anyway, I'm free to play a little and have a balanced life instead of working 70 hours a week and commuting another 7.5 hours a week.

BG You have been on the trail I was impaled on. I was in the Tabacco roots. Brown back is the trail I believe. We road out the west side of the mountains. 

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BG You have been on the trail I was impaled on. I was in the Tabacco roots. Brown back is the trail I believe. We road out the west side of the mountains. 
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OMG!! Phew, you're lucky that didn't hit an artery! Ya, I've been on that trail. Loved it. That was where my clutch cable broke and I was riding by myself. Luckily I could bump start it downhill and then rode out on double track. I'm glad you're alive! Any lasting effects?

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1 hour ago, Charles De Mar said:

BG You have been on the trail I was impaled on. I was in the Tabacco roots. Brown back is the trail I believe. We road out the west side of the mountains. 

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Just topped anything I have seen in 40+ years. Wow!

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BG You have been on the trail I was impaled on. I was in the Tabacco roots. Brown back is the trail I believe. We road out the west side of the mountains. 
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4 hours ago, Buttegal said:
4 hours ago, Charles De Mar said:
BG You have been on the trail I was impaled on. I was in the Tabacco roots. Brown back is the trail I believe. We road out the west side of the mountains. 
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OMG!! Phew, you're lucky that didn't hit an artery! Ya, I've been on that trail. Loved it. That was where my clutch cable broke and I was riding by myself. Luckily I could bump start it downhill and then rode out on double track. I'm glad you're alive! Any lasting effects?

I was in the hospital for 24 hours. No lasting effects. Pure luck!

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I was in the hospital for 24 hours. No lasting effects. Pure luck!
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Cheers to your recovery Charles. We're you wearing a neck brace thing?..

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1 hour ago, Diverdown said:
1 hour ago, Charles De Mar said:
I was in the hospital for 24 hours. No lasting effects. Pure luck!
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Cheers to your recovery Charles. We're you wearing a neck brace thing?..

Nope. 

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16 hours ago, trailrydr9 said:

Yes I have had a nasty fall down a hill, where a branch stabbed into my back pack, and pierced my water bladder.  It got stopped by my chest protector, and I just ended up bruised and scared.  Then again this year in Moab, but you knew about that one.  Not trying to  scare you off.  There is even a guy that I rode with out in Moab a couple of years ago, that just got gored thru the neck this last year while out in Montana, ( @Charles De Mar ) AKA Groot... This is a dangerous hobby that we enjoy, for sure, but I would also think there are probably freak accidents even at bowling ally's, maybe even golf courses. And for sure out on the Ski hills, mountain bike paths, and any of the other hobby type activities that are of any interest to myself any way.  

 

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Took a nasty a couple tears ago. Heading up a hill in a deep trouft and in an instant I was heading down the hill with the bike pinning me against a log and the side of the trouft. 

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I saw vid of a guy who had a stick spear his leg and take him off his bike.  It can be dangerous for sure. Glad all the aforementioned are ok.  BG - you definitely need to get back on ASAP and work it out of your mind. Sh!t happens fast on a dirt bike.

On another topic, off-road riding in Utah may be at a crossroads. A week or so ago CJ posted a link to an email from Ride with Respect  requesting we take action. Unfortunately, the senators have been resistant to the requested changes and this morning, at 10AM EST, a vote was taken on whether the bill passes from the committee to the full floor of the senate or not.  If it passes from committee, it'd be great if lots of you could chime in and request your senators and HR reps ( the bill in the house is HR 5727) vote NO when its up for a vote.

Some of us have already made numerous calls and written our congressmen, but the more help the better. I'll follow up with the results of today's vote.

Maybe at least mentally start writing your letter now so you can take action at short notice.

This is especially important because 3 other off-road riding areas in Utah are also facing the same situation as the Swell and possibly this bill will be used as a model for those areas as well. And where it goes from there is anyone's guess.

Thanks!

Heres the email I got last night: (Monday, 10/2)

I wish this were a joke, but TONIGHT we really need OHV enthusiasts from across the country to call Senator Mike Lee's office in D.C. (202-224-5444) and urge him to oppose S. 2809, the Emery County Public Land Management Act.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) at 8am Mountain Time, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee will vote to pass this bill to the Senate floor. As a member of this committee and a traditional defender of responsible OHV recreation, Sen. Lee is in the best position to call out this bill for attempting to phase out OHV riding in the San Rafael Swell.

The Emery County bill may not close trails immediately, but it would inevitably sunset our sport in a premiere riding area (see attached photo). Specifically the bill prohibits the construction of any new motorized routes--even temporarily---anywhere in the Swell at any point in the future. This sort of blanket ban prevents the realignment of trails as needed, prevents short links to make the existing network more useful, and even prevents the hand-building of a singletrack for e-bikes. While banning new routes, the bill does nothing to protect old routes (not even establishing a flexible policy of "no net loss"), thereby creating a sort of ratchet strap with no release mechanism.

What's worse, the Senate version of this bill refuses to recognize motorized use as a legitimate form of recreation in the Swell. The House version had actually clarified that the recreational purpose includes "non-motorized and motorized" uses, a simple amendment from Rep. Bishop that passed unanimously. We are astonished to report that the Senate version strikes this amendment, essentially challenging the basic legitimacy of motorized recreation across this million-acre "recreation area" (half of which would be closed in perpetuity through wilderness designation). We are hopeful that Sen. Lee will insist on conserving diverse recreation opportunities within the remaining half that's open now, not just for the next year, but for the next generation.

We'd love to show you the new version of S. 2809, but it hasn't been released publically despite that the Senate committee will vote on it first-thing tomorrow morning. In fact, the offices of Sen. Hatch and Rep. Curtis waited until 4:30pm Mountain Time to notify any OHV advocates of their intention to fast-track the bill. With the support of national OHV groups, the local OHV clubs have been requesting four modest changes since June, and since then we have gotten little more than stalling tactics from the bill's sponsors.

You could call the offices of Sen. Hatch and Rep. Curtis as well (202-224-5251 and 202-225-7751), but the most important call is to Sen. Lee (202-224-5444). Tonight leave a voicemail and, for extra credit, write him a letter that is both respectful and personal (mentioning your experience in the Swell, spending in Emery County towns like Green River, and concerns with how the bill would affect the outlook of OHV riding):
https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact
Finally, please send RwR a copy of your message to Sen. Lee (by emailing Clif at RideWithRespect dot org).

It's a shame, as this bill could've been fixed to benefit all parties. However the bill's sponsors have been virtually deaf to responsible recreationists including OHV clubs like the Sage Riders and Castle Country that have volunteered thousands of hours in Swell (not to mention Swenson Strategies and a dozen national OHV groups). Apparently Utah's own representatives need an immediate reminder of how important 4WD, ATV, and motorcycling is to Utahns and visitors alike.

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13 hours ago, dmac1 said:

On another topic, off-road riding in Utah may be at a crossroads. A week or so ago CJ posted a link to an email from Ride with Respect  requesting we take action. Unfortunately, the senators have been resistant to the requested changes and this morning, at 10AM EST, a vote was taken on whether the bill passes from the committee to the full floor of the senate or not.  If it passes from committee, it'd be great if lots of you could chime in and request your senators and HR reps ( the bill in the house is HR 5727) vote NO when its up for a vote.

Some of us have already made numerous calls and written our congressmen, but the more help the better. I'll follow up with the results of today's vote.

Maybe at least mentally start writing your letter now so you can take action at short notice.

This is especially important because 3 other off-road riding areas in Utah are also facing the same situation as the Swell and possibly this bill will be used as a model for those areas as well. And where it goes from there is anyone's guess.

Thanks!

Heres the email I got last night: (Monday, 10/2)

I wish this were a joke, but TONIGHT we really need OHV enthusiasts from across the country to call Senator Mike Lee's office in D.C. (202-224-5444) and urge him to oppose S. 2809, the Emery County Public Land Management Act.

Tomorrow (Tuesday) at 8am Mountain Time, the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee will vote to pass this bill to the Senate floor. As a member of this committee and a traditional defender of responsible OHV recreation, Sen. Lee is in the best position to call out this bill for attempting to phase out OHV riding in the San Rafael Swell.

The Emery County bill may not close trails immediately, but it would inevitably sunset our sport in a premiere riding area (see attached photo). Specifically the bill prohibits the construction of any new motorized routes--even temporarily---anywhere in the Swell at any point in the future. This sort of blanket ban prevents the realignment of trails as needed, prevents short links to make the existing network more useful, and even prevents the hand-building of a singletrack for e-bikes. While banning new routes, the bill does nothing to protect old routes (not even establishing a flexible policy of "no net loss"), thereby creating a sort of ratchet strap with no release mechanism.

What's worse, the Senate version of this bill refuses to recognize motorized use as a legitimate form of recreation in the Swell. The House version had actually clarified that the recreational purpose includes "non-motorized and motorized" uses, a simple amendment from Rep. Bishop that passed unanimously. We are astonished to report that the Senate version strikes this amendment, essentially challenging the basic legitimacy of motorized recreation across this million-acre "recreation area" (half of which would be closed in perpetuity through wilderness designation). We are hopeful that Sen. Lee will insist on conserving diverse recreation opportunities within the remaining half that's open now, not just for the next year, but for the next generation.

We'd love to show you the new version of S. 2809, but it hasn't been released publically despite that the Senate committee will vote on it first-thing tomorrow morning. In fact, the offices of Sen. Hatch and Rep. Curtis waited until 4:30pm Mountain Time to notify any OHV advocates of their intention to fast-track the bill. With the support of national OHV groups, the local OHV clubs have been requesting four modest changes since June, and since then we have gotten little more than stalling tactics from the bill's sponsors.

You could call the offices of Sen. Hatch and Rep. Curtis as well (202-224-5251 and 202-225-7751), but the most important call is to Sen. Lee (202-224-5444). Tonight leave a voicemail and, for extra credit, write him a letter that is both respectful and personal (mentioning your experience in the Swell, spending in Emery County towns like Green River, and concerns with how the bill would affect the outlook of OHV riding):
https://www.lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact
Finally, please send RwR a copy of your message to Sen. Lee (by emailing Clif at RideWithRespect dot org).

It's a shame, as this bill could've been fixed to benefit all parties. However the bill's sponsors have been virtually deaf to responsible recreationists including OHV clubs like the Sage Riders and Castle Country that have volunteered thousands of hours in Swell (not to mention Swenson Strategies and a dozen national OHV groups). Apparently Utah's own representatives need an immediate reminder of how important 4WD, ATV, and motorcycling is to Utahns and visitors alike.

Called in my response at midnight last night and left a message.  Told them I had been coming there 10 years, and appreciated the great trails out there, and if they wanted to continue getting my tourist dollars, I would need some motorized trails to ride.

 Be sure to call in your response!

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