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Everyone keeps talking about when Roczen is 100%. Even he all season long until the last 2 races talked about how happy he is about his performances considering where he is at in recovery etc. Does anyone think he might be denying the truth that he will never be the racer he was? That he is closer to 100% then he or anyone wants to admit? Or maybe he doesn't even realize his new 100% isn't the same and won't be the same as his pre-injury 100%.

He is still an amazing rider and is a top 5 guy outdoor any day of the week... but when will the recovering be over? We're coming up on the 2 year mark right? Pro athletes seem to heal faster than the rest of us... mainly because of the amount of staff and tools available to them that the rest of us don't have. Personal physical therapy specialists that deal with them one on one almost every day... hyperbolic chambers.. etc. Athletes have come back from torn muscles in 6 weeks... what would take a normal person with a normal lifestyle half a year to get to that point.

Or maybe... just maybe he really needs more than 2 years to get back to race fitness.

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He won’t be the racer he was. That ship has sailed. He can still improve though, mostly in Supercross, where his arms take less of a beating (as long as he stays upright).

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With the tenacity and impressive results he’s displayed, I think if any athlete can make such an unlikely comeback it’s him. He’s doing far better than I expected, and even his temperament/maturity has displayed an impressive resolve. These injuries have changed him. In some ways (physical) for the worse. In other ways (mental) for the better. I don’t think he needs to be 100% back to his former physical capabilities to once again become a consistent threat at the highest level. I’m impressed.

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I think Roczen, Barcia and Webb will all be better next year than they were this year.  Roczen is so consistent, barring another injury I expect him to be top 2 in both series. 

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It took Tomac a while to recover too. Many of us thought he'd never get there. Remember the season of "chokemac" comments? I guess that was SX '18 and SX '17.

Look at Anderson. He's slowly returning.

Injuries take a toll. Returning to 100% healthy, and returning to be fast, is not the same as returning, or becoming, the fastest guy out there.

I say Roczen has more to show. Is he a SX contender? Hard to say at this point. I think it's possible. The risk of course is always the next injury. A guy only has so many years and the window closes.

SX '19 champ: Tomac. He's the best, and he's the guy to beat right now.
2nd - 5th is a tight group: Roczen, Musquin, Barcia, Anderson
If I was to guess an order of finish, it would be as I've listed them.

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To come back from the two injuries he has had and still ride the pace that he does and finish where he has all outdoor season is a feat in itself. He also looks more comfortable and relaxed on the bike than others. I think for him its just a mental block thats keeping him from cranking it up that one last notch like we see Tomac do and just drop lap times. Understandable. 

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1 hour ago, Zinergy said:

... but when will the recovering be over? We're coming up on the 2 year mark right? 

It's been 20 months since the big injury, but it took a while for him to get back on the bike.  This is what his arm looked like 20 months ago.

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I think a lot of people thought he was not going to come back from that, but then he was able to come back and start racing a year later.  Then, he looked like this last February after the crash with Webb.

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Even after both of those, he was still a top 3 guy outdoors this year.

You have to remember, it's not like he got injured and started riding right away.  Healing take a long time, and during that time he's losing not only the sharpness of riding, but also fitness.  The fact that he's able to be a top 3 guy after those two injures and all of the associated time off, to me, is amazing.

So no, I don't think he's reached a ceiling.  He'll likely be faster next year than he was this year, but how much faster, we'll have to wait and see.

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A healthy offseason and he will be much much better. This season he got by on talent. 

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1 hour ago, MANIAC998 said:

He won’t be the racer he was. That ship has sailed. He can still improve though, mostly in Supercross, where his arms take less of a beating (as long as he stays upright).

Supercross is what broke him, and many others. it's a shame that it's the money.

Ken has sure impressed my though....

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To us it doesn't really matter, but we just finished the pro MX season, and this is probably the only post race/season interview we will get. If you were to judge our sport from the general impression provided by this video, what what you think of the sport? Even if you've been around for a while, this video clues you in to a few things. It tells me that there's not a ton of money surrounding outdoor MX in the US. It's certainly not a media product. FOX would rather show I Love Lucy on Saturday instead of a MX race. Think about that. 50 year old reruns are a better media product choice for FOX than is Pro MX. But so what right? Not everything has to be a high dollar media product. The same thing is said about 4-wheel and 2-wheel off road racing. This is another really poor media product. But media products make LOTS of money.

 

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Supercross is what broke him, and many others. it's a shame that it's the money.

I wonder if he contemplates heading home to nail down a few World Championships as an alternative. Supercross has never gone well for him, from a crash/injury standpoint. He’s obviously fast, but so was Stewart. Dungey was an anomaly. He could ride super fast within his comfort zone year after year with few crashes or injuries. Roczen “can” win at SX, but if past performance is indicative of the future........

 

However, I still believe as I stated in my earlier post that if anyone can pull it off it’s Roczen. It’s really great that he’s competing again. He adds a lot of badly needed competition at the top of the food chain.

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I agree. He does at competition and is a great rider. Yes SX can get you hurt more than MX in some cases but SX takes less endurance and for someone with arm injuries like that it will be hard to start on top level pace for 2 35 minute motos in MX

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It takes a lot of time in the gym to recover physically and even more time on the bike to recover mentally from a big injury like that. 

I got hurt one time and in 5 months I lost literally a lifetime of fitness and any muscle mass I did have. It has taken me almost a full year of riding multiple days a week plus gym (which I never did before) to recover physically and I am still scared on the bike lol.. 

Kenny still has a ton of recovery to do and is nowhere near his potential... There's plenty more in there. I had thought initially he may win 2019 based on what my physical therapist told me about a season of recovery, I now realize that's a stretch. Heh.

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2 hours ago, Dirt Mcgurt said:

It takes a lot of time in the gym to recover physically and even more time on the bike to recover mentally from a big injury like that. 

I got hurt one time and in 5 months I lost literally a lifetime of fitness and any muscle mass I did have. It has taken me almost a full year of riding multiple days a week plus gym (which I never did before) to recover physically and I am still scared on the bike lol.. 

Kenny still has a ton of recovery to do and is nowhere near his potential... There's plenty more in there. I had thought initially he may win 2019 based on what my physical therapist told me about a season of recovery, I now realize that's a stretch. Heh.

I think that's one thing that the younger riders might not understand.  I got hurt SO many times in my life, and as you get older and the injuries get compounded (and you have more to lose), you don't always recover mentally and keep the edge needed to do all of the jumps.

I got to where there was almost always one or two jumps on a main track (Milestone was where we rode a lot) that I didn't want to do.  It was usually the ones where you had to come out of a corner on the gas and hit it wide open.  If I had a run at it, I was usually ok.

I got chicken as I got older.  :lol:

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KROC will be fighting for podiums EVERY SX round in 2019, TRIPLE STAMP IT!!!!  You can bet them KREX arms are going to be very strong, pushing a 12 ton body off the ground, aint EZ.

1 minute ago, jcm3 said:

I think that's one thing that the younger riders might not understand.  I got hurt SO many times in my life, and as you get older and the injuries get compounded (and you have more to lose), you don't always recover mentally and keep the edge needed to do all of the jumps.

I got to where there was almost always one or two jumps on a main track (Milestone was where we rode a lot) that I didn't want to do.  It was usually the ones where you had to come out of a corner on the gas and hit it wide open.  If I had a run at it, I was usually ok.

I got chicken as I got older.  :lol:

QUITER.

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2 minutes ago, KableXL said:

QUITER.

That really hurts!  flipoff.gif  :lol:

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3 hours ago, Dirt Mcgurt said:

It takes a lot of time in the gym to recover physically and even more time on the bike to recover mentally from a big injury like that. 

I got hurt one time and in 5 months I lost literally a lifetime of fitness and any muscle mass I did have. It has taken me almost a full year of riding multiple days a week plus gym (which I never did before) to recover physically and I am still scared on the bike lol.. 

Kenny still has a ton of recovery to do and is nowhere near his potential... There's plenty more in there. I had thought initially he may win 2019 based on what my physical therapist told me about a season of recovery, I now realize that's a stretch. Heh.

While I agree with most of what you said comparing the recovery process of a normal person to a pro athlete is apples to oranges. Most of us don't have personal therapists. Most of us don't have all our time to devote to one thing.... nor the money/insurance to pay for this much care and tools/equipment. I understand his injuries were quite severe but you're talking 3 years when you say 2019 is a stretch. 3 of his prime years at that. Which also means we have to listen to every say "when roczen gets 100%" all next season as well.

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42 minutes ago, Zinergy said:

While I agree with most of what you said comparing the recovery process of a normal person to a pro athlete is apples to oranges. Most of us don't have personal therapists. Most of us don't have all our time to devote to one thing.... nor the money/insurance to pay for this much care and tools/equipment. I understand his injuries were quite severe but you're talking 3 years when you say 2019 is a stretch. 3 of his prime years at that. Which also means we have to listen to every say "when roczen gets 100%" all next season as well.

No the mental recovery is the same for any human

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I think Kenny is far from 100% physically. He does great at the start then fades at the end. He needs physical conditioning.  I think he will be pushing Tomac next year.

Was RC, Stewart, Reed

Now, Tomac, Roczen, Marvin

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2 hours ago, Zinergy said:

While I agree with most of what you said comparing the recovery process of a normal person to a pro athlete is apples to oranges. Most of us don't have personal therapists. Most of us don't have all our time to devote to one thing.... nor the money/insurance to pay for this much care and tools/equipment. I understand his injuries were quite severe but you're talking 3 years when you say 2019 is a stretch. 3 of his prime years at that. Which also means we have to listen to every say "when roczen gets 100%" all next season as well.

Dude, you do realize it's 2018 now, right??

 

Edit: I guess I see what you're saying. Carry on.

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