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43 minutes ago, shrubitup said:

Sexier than Christine Blasey Ford to me anyway. :excuseme:

Maybe if I had enough beer...

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On 10/4/2018 at 5:03 AM, Goatse said:


 

 


The 125 and 200 are full sized bikes with the same seat height as the 250, 300RR's.

 

Maybe same seat height but they feel not the same. The 14 lb weight difference from 250/300 to 200 feels like 45 lbs in real life. Night and day difference.

Same on the older KTM from 250/300 to 200 big big big difference in real life, but on paper same height and only 5 lbs.

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Maybe same seat height but they feel not the same. The 14 lb weight difference from 250/300 to 200 feels like 45 lbs in real life. Night and day difference.
Same on the older KTM from 250/300 to 200 big big big difference in real life, but on paper same height and only 5 lbs.
Except getting the bikes to steer is usually not the problem. It's keeping them upright in the gnar when things get slow a technical. Being able to dab is the difference between confidence, and having none. Dropping a bike, then picking it back up multiple times, is FAR more exhausting than the added weight when riding a bike.
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3 minutes ago, Goatse said:

Except getting the bikes to steer is usually not the problem. It's keeping them upright in the gnar when things get slow a technical. Being able to dab is the difference between confidence, and having none. Dropping a bike, then picking it back up multiple times, is FAR more exhausting than the added weight when riding a bike.

That's pure theory if you only check numbers. But in real life riding its night and day difference in all the aspects that you wrote down.

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That's pure theory if you only check numbers. But in real life riding its night and day difference in all the aspects that you wrote down.
I have a wife and 3 daughters that race. This is not theory, but fact from first hand experience...
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1 hour ago, Babyarmholdingapple said:

Updated Sachs is still Sachs, it's the same 2nd tier bike for what 7 years now?  

 

Can't argue with that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I really like to argue.

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On 10/3/2018 at 1:27 PM, Sierra_rider said:

Glad to see that Beta acknowledged there were serious wear issues with the red forks. Time will tell if they found a solution, but a '19 300 race edition is starting to sound really tempting to replace me '15.

I think people lose sight of what the Xtrainer is. It's not designed to be race bike for little people...it's an entry level bike for novice riders, who want something more than a crf-f or ttr. If you want good suspension get an RR...if you want even better suspension get a race edition. Smaller people now have the choice of the 125 or 200 for a well-suspended bike.

It is also a great bike for those who like riding really tight technical trails.  In situations like that, seat height and bike weight trumps a high-end suspension, because you're only going an average of about 5-10 mph.  The stock XT suspension is more adapted to trials techniques too.   So one design actually fits a lot of different kinds of rider, I think - that, and price, is why it is so popular.   It is likely that the vast majority of people who frequent this forum do not race - and even those that do probably spend the bulk of their riding time trail-riding.  Being able to put a foot down and lift the front around is a must at dead ends...I'm 5'10" and seat heights 38" on up equals serious hardship and discomfort in tricky situations. Recently on one of those tricky trails, I lost control and went off the edge down into some dangerously steep brushy terrain on my XT...I just tried to keep centered while I was banging off of everything and kept on the gas -  somehow the bike made it back up on the trail. I stopped and  hooped and hollered for about 5 minutes...I thought I was done.  But that torquey tractable engine and smaller frame kept things together.  A taller, larger, harder hitting bike would have left me flat.  Literally.   So...different strokes.   Racing courses are rarely as technical as the trails many of us ride -

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1 hour ago, kawagumby said:

It is also a great bike for those who like riding really tight technical trails.  In situations like that, seat height and bike weight trumps a high-end suspension, because you're only going an average of about 5-10 mph.  The stock XT suspension is more adapted to trials techniques too.   So one design actually fits a lot of different kinds of rider, I think - that, and price, is why it is so popular.   It is likely that the vast majority of people who frequent this forum do not race - and even those that do probably spend the bulk of their riding time trail-riding.  Being able to put a foot down and lift the front around is a must at dead ends...I'm 5'10" and seat heights 38" on up equals serious hardship and discomfort in tricky situations. Recently on one of those tricky trails, I lost control and went off the edge down into some dangerously steep brushy terrain on my XT...I just tried to keep centered while I was banging off of everything and kept on the gas -  somehow the bike made it back up on the trail. I stopped and  hooped and hollered for about 5 minutes...I thought I was done.  But that torquey tractable engine and smaller frame kept things together.  A taller, larger, harder hitting bike would have left me flat.  Literally.   So...different strokes.   Racing courses are rarely as technical as the trails many of us ride -

The regular RR is plenty short enough for the average rider on a tough trail. While it may be easier for myself at 6'1", even my shorter friends agree with that sentiment. Quite a bit of my riding is hard-enduro type stuff and I've even raced one...practice a lot of cross-training skills on both my 300 and 350. Also a trials rider too.

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3 hours ago, Babyarmholdingapple said:

Updated Sachs is still Sachs, it's the same 2nd tier bike for what 7 years now?  

 

So is WP in the same Tier 2 bike status bucket then? 

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2 hours ago, Piney Woods said:

Can't argue with that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I really like to argue.

Having never even seen a beta (nor ridden one), how can you make this statement? 

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Just now, shrubitup said:

So is WP in the same Tier 2 bike status bucket then? 

Well I said Tier 2 bike.

 

WP is still WP but I do like my Airfork immensely.  I have no gripes about the rear I bought two different springs for it.

No revalve needed.   I had a K into the Beta suspension and it was not as good as the stock Husqvarna. The bike handles well, is lighter than a X trainer, better fit and finish than a either of my Beta's so no the Husqvarna is not a 2nd tier bike.   

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19 minutes ago, Babyarmholdingapple said:

Well I said Tier 2 bike.

 

WP is still WP but I do like my Airfork immensely.  I have no gripes about the rear I bought two different springs for it.

No revalve needed.   I had a K into the Beta suspension and it was not as good as the stock Husqvarna. The bike handles well, is lighter than a X trainer, better fit and finish than a either of my Beta's so no the Husqvarna is not a 2nd tier bike.   

Right; because your experience should be representative for all then. I have no issue banning bikes from my purchase list but rarely do I put the manufacturer at fault for one of their bikes that I had (exception being BMW Husky). BMW Husky was so bad you could see hordes of people complaining about similar things across multiple forums unlike Beta. 

Is beta the best? Should everyone buy one? No. They’re just another available option. Can’t agree that their whole model line is Tier 2 however. 

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Just now, shrubitup said:

Right; because your experience should be representative for all then. I have no issue banning bikes from my purchase list but rarely do I put the manufacturer at fault for one of their bikes that I had (exception being BMW Husky). BMW Husky was so bad you could see hordes of people complaining about similar things across multiple forums unlike Beta. 

Is beta the best? Should everyone buy one? No. They’re just another available option. Can’t agree that their whole model line is Tier 2 however. 

My problem was identical on two bikes for two electrical problems.  I was far from Isolated

Then I experienced two different suspensions and well once again that subject is the biggest subject in Beta Forums.

 

Now here is the reason I post on occasion.  I have a "few" as in three PM's from people who said they thought I was a trolling until

they bought the bike on the Beta Red Kool aid reviews to discover they were having my experience.  My whole point is the bike has issues 

which the regulars refuse to acknowledge.  So some guy comes on here thinking 2019 RR RE what do the think?  I want him to know he can do better. Go look at KTM go look at Husky and go look at a 250X as all build a better 2t.    I want him to know this is in essence the same bike for 7 years and for 7 years it has had the same issues.  

My experience is widespread and while it may not represent all it sure hits home with a lot. 

 

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So Bryan Mental Ud or William ever give me shit or a warning for ny statements here? No.

Am I trolling?  Or do I simply throw statements for guys looking to look real hard at what they are getting for the money.

 

I was selling a Beta to buy a Yamaha but came home with a Husky, why?  Because when one looks really hard

with a objective measurable eye it was the clear winner. 

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4 minutes ago, Babyarmholdingapple said:

So Bryan Mental Ud or William ever give me shit or a warning for ny statements here? No.

Am I trolling?  Or do I simply throw statements for guys looking to look real hard at what they are getting for the money.

 

I was selling a Beta to buy a Yamaha but came home with a Husky, why?  Because when one looks really hard

with a objective measurable eye it was the clear winner. 

Yes you are trolling

Yes you are a pain to read

No your information is not new, rarely relevant, and HIGHLY BIASED

I could go into the Husq forum and point out all the flaws there too, but it helps no one to troll a forum, especially when you have nothing positive to contribute other than your overblown ego. 

The fact that you think bike should be ranked and rated is the huge red flag.

No where, any where, does Beta claim to be better than any other bike. Pretty much the exact opposite of the KTM line. They claim to be the worlds best, what ever that means.  

....but you won't change. Your ego won't shrink. You will never mention the 100% slave cylinder fail rate on Husky FE and FC's, nor will you talk about the any of the other issues, because you are here to TROLL and nothing else.

You want to stir the pot and get attention and provide no constructive anything. 

You can't stand it not to Troll, I know.

 

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