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You gotta admit, Reed looked pretty racy out there. I guess with proper motivation he still can haul the mail. I think when you consider his age and the fact that he has that potential to run up front, it's pretty damn cool.


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I was impressed. That tangle up with Musquin was disappointing, I wanted to see more from both of them.

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he looked ok on a track that was pretty vanilla, he'll be lucky to crack top 10 in SX.  still impressive for a 37 y/o.

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He looked pretty good in the first moto (didn't see what happened, he bounced around a bit) and really good in the third.

We'll see if he gels with the Zuk.

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17 minutes ago, jcm3 said:

He looked pretty good in the first moto (didn't see what happened, he bounced around a bit) and really good in the third.

We'll see if he gels with the Zuk.

He raced Stewie down to the last SX round missing the title by 4 points and won the outdoor title on essentially the same bike 

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10 minutes ago, MotorBoatin said:

He raced Stewie down to the last SX round missing the title by 4 points and won the outdoor title on essentially the same bike 

What's kind of :thumbsup: is that you're talking about 2009, and you're right.  

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19 minutes ago, jcm3 said:

What's kind of :thumbsup: is that you're talking about 2009, and you're right.  

Pretty sad isn't it

I think it's good for their race program but sales are in the shitter :thumbsdn:

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3 hours ago, MotorBoatin said:

Pretty sad isn't it

I think it's good for their race program but sales are in the shitter :thumbsdn:

Oops, how did sad end up a thumbs up?  Meant to say it's kind of sad.  :bonk:

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He raced Stewie down to the last SX round missing the title by 4 points and won the outdoor title on essentially the same bike 


that bike has changed quite a bit from 09. Other then the motors nothing is the same anymore. Hell the 12 frame was different then the 09

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Still the same DNA

Motor all bottom and mid
Heavy
Turns well
Not great stability
Luckily for sx with lots of money you can get the weight down ,the other stuff works for sx

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1 hour ago, AdamW21 said:

 


emoji23.pngemoji23.png that bike has changed quite a bit from 09. Other then the motors nothing is the same anymore. Hell the 12 frame was different then the 09

 

So you're the one that believes the marketing BULLSHIT

Little tweaks nothing more. Suzuki has been giving you the same bike for more than a decade 

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So you're the one that believes the marketing BULLSHIT
Little tweaks nothing more. Suzuki has been giving you the same bike for more than a decade 

Doubt it. The frame from a 08-17 compared to a 18 aren’t even close

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I think the new bike is a lot better (and changed from the previous-gen) than people give it credit for. But still the fact remains that from the 08 to 2018, the Suzuki has changed the least of any of the 450s. Whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is another discussion. 

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2 hours ago, AdamW21 said:


Doubt it. The frame from a 08-17 compared to a 18 aren’t even close

Ok, I'll give you that 2018 was a major revamp...under Suzuki standards :rolleyes:...but it still turns the same, has the same straight line jitters, the same engine characteristics, has kick start, comes with sub par suspension, finishes last in all the shootouts and lets not forget that it weighs more than the bike it replaced 

 

Yep....new and improved bike :smirk:

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2 hours ago, AdamW21 said:


Doubt it. The frame from a 08-17 compared to a 18 aren’t even close

this is not to start trouble. I genuinely want to know, what are the changes in the frame??

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12 minutes ago, lowmass said:

this is not to start trouble. I genuinely want to know, what are the changes in the frame??

Frame advancements include a more rectangular cross-section for the main spars, improved fore-aft rigidity and optimised overall rigidity, together with a 700g weight reduction. All of which directly increase cornering, shock-absorbing ability and handling stability.2018-RMZ450-RM-Z450L8_new_frame2-1024x35

 

As Mog said, it is the same DNA. 

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ok yea thats what thought.

I suspect that any Al framed bike that has had design changes to "improve rigidity" are very small changes at best.

Within the constraints of a given structural shape/size ( the basic twin spar frame for instance), Aluminum is limited. 

looking at that pic I see a construction(the 2018) that is simply easier to manufacture( less individual pieces and gussets), and a bit of shaving off unesasary material/weight

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