water soluble air filter oil

[matthew c davis]

hey guys,  there is this oil that you can use on your air filter that is water washable...I think it is called synthetic water washable air filter fluid, by rock oil lubricants..has anybody tried this stuff...where can you buy it...apparently it is not made in the usa unfortunately...seems like it might be just the ticket for desert riders

[_MountainRider_]

I just run uni and use dawn soap when it needs to be cleaned

[The Inquisitor]

No Toil cleans in warm water

[braindead0]

water washable (with detergent) <> water soluble.   If there is such a thing as water soluble air filter oil the air filter would be useless if it got wet....

[piltoyougram]

like previous said, UNI and Dawn soap, rinse and dry good. I always keep 2 clean ones on hand. Works for me.

[TrailerParkMethChef]

http://www.rockoil.co.uk/cm/images/pdf/techdata/Factory_Eco_Foam.pdf

I assume this is what you are referring to?

It says the filter can be cleaned in water only if Eco Foam was used. 

Seems interesting but I’d like to see how it performs against others like No Toil.

Im a huge proponent for No Toil. It worked for me for 200 hours on my last Beta 300 and almost 100 hours so far on my ‘18. 

[bk29]

I’ve used it before. It works good and like no toil the alcohol in the oil is hard on the filter. I use no toil now because swaff was too hard to find.

[braindead0]

11 hours ago, Grimlock said:

http://www.rockoil.co.uk/cm/images/pdf/techdata/Factory_Eco_Foam.pdf

I assume this is what you are referring to?

It says the filter can be cleaned in water only if Eco Foam was used. 

Seems interesting but I’d like to see how it performs against others like No Toil.

Im a huge proponent for No Toil. It worked for me for 200 hours on my last Beta 300 and almost 100 hours so far on my ‘18. 

If that's the product, this leaves me unimpressed:

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This exceptional performance and flexibility has resulted in a test win in a major motorcycling publication in the USA.

Searching the net I'm finding no 'test win' in a major motorcycling publication.   I would suspect all claims they make.

Also found this from here: https://bestrestproducts.com/shop/guglatech-fuel-and-air-filters/guglatech-dirt-bikes-with-plastic-tanks/rock-oil-factory-eco-foam-air-filter-oil/

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Here’s the good news – With Eco Foam your filter can be cleaned with nothing more than warm, soapy water.

Warm soapy water isn't cleaning with water only.  Sounds like all of the other eco products, the twin-air eco I use cleans with soap and water just fine.

They also claim it's good for foam, cloth and matrix filters.  Maybe that's true, but sounds off.

Edited August 14, 2019 by braindead0

[bk29]

Warm soapy water isn't cleaning with water only.  Sounds like all of the other eco products, the twin-air eco I use cleans with soap and water just fine.
They also claim it's good for foam, cloth and matrix filters.  Maybe that's true, but sounds off.

The test win was in dirt rider during the Jimmy Lewis era. It’s a good product but good luck trying to buy a bottle.

[matthew c davis]

yeah, I can't seem to find the stuff..is there some issue with a chemical in the mixture of the swwaff that makes it tricky to import...and by the way, notoil imports their ingredient as well..was the eco foam stuff very sticky?  I bet you could ride with it even in wet conditions if your airbox was sealed on the outside.

I did not know that twin air made a bio/eco oil that washes with water, I will look around for it, what was the name of the product?

[braindead0]

2 hours ago, mattydavis said:

yeah, I can't seem to find the stuff..is there some issue with a chemical in the mixture of the swwaff that makes it tricky to import...and by the way, notoil imports their ingredient as well..was the eco foam stuff very sticky?  I bet you could ride with it even in wet conditions if your airbox was sealed on the outside.

I did not know that twin air made a bio/eco oil that washes with water, I will look around for it, what was the name of the product?

soap+water <> water soluble.  

The PDF from the manufacture (linked earlier) say's it can be cleaned with water only however other sites selling the product say warm soapy water, so I'm not sure which to believe.  If it's truly water soluble, that seems like a stupid idea unless you're never doing any water crossings or riding in the rain.

Twin-air bio cleans up with soapy water  (https://www.twinair.com/air-filter-oils-and-cleaners.php)

They'll try to sell you special cleaner, however I and others have found oxy-clean, dawn and other detergents clean it fine.

Edited August 14, 2019 by braindead0

[Dirtstache 556]

I used no toil for awhile and it worked fine. But now i just buy the cheap pro filters a dozen at a time and toss em after each use for less than $10 each they come pre-oiled with bel-ray

[matthew c davis]

9 hours ago, bk29 said:

I’ve used it before. It works good and like no toil the alcohol in the oil is hard on the filter. I use no toil now because swaff was too hard to find.

was the stuff really sticky?, IMO notoil isn't as sticky as maxima or belray...certainly easy cleaning is a plus but the oil has to be STICKY to work well

[Zinergy]

21 minutes ago, mattydavis said:

was the stuff really sticky?, IMO notoil isn't as sticky as maxima or belray...certainly easy cleaning is a plus but the oil has to be STICKY to work well

I had a bottle of no toil fall off my garage shelf and break open behind some building materials. When I finally saw it back there(probably 2 months as I thought it had gone missing for 2 months) it had 8 dead mice in it because they got stuck in it and couldn't escape. Seems pretty sticky if it can be used as a rodent trap.

Edited August 14, 2019 by Zinergy

[1.21GW]

I used Rock Oil SWAFF for a little bit. Critical that you start with a brand new filter other wise it will quickly break down due to interaction with traditional oils. One deep Creek crossing left me with a clean filter. That was the end of that.

Using Twin Air system now.

[matthew c davis]

18 hours ago, Zinergy said:

I had a bottle of no toil fall off my garage shelf and break open behind some building materials. When I finally saw it back there(probably 2 months as I thought it had gone missing for 2 months) it had 8 dead mice in it because they got stuck in it and couldn't escape. Seems pretty sticky if it can be used as a rodent trap.

actually maybe they died eating the stuff!.. I remember reading the SDS on the dimer acid and it doesn't breakdown in the environment, nor is it non-toxic

[matthew c davis]

12 hours ago, 1.21GW said:

I used Rock Oil SWAFF for a little bit. Critical that you start with a brand new filter other wise it will quickly break down due to interaction with traditional oils. One deep Creek crossing left me with a clean filter. That was the end of that.

Using Twin Air system now.

wow that must have been deep or did you tip over?  i'd like to use swaff for pure desert riding down here in socal

[Zinergy]

9 minutes ago, mattydavis said:

actually maybe they died eating the stuff!.. I remember reading the SDS on the dimer acid and it doesn't breakdown in the environment, nor is it non-toxic

I had to use a paint scraper to get them off the floor. The ones that had died recently came off all together. The ones that were there for a bit rolled out of their skin and a couple of there skins are now permanently part of my garage floor. They just look like slightly dark stains on my concrete.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Zinergy

[1.21GW]

5 hours ago, mattydavis said:

wow that must have been deep or did you tip over?  i'd like to use swaff for pure desert riding down here in socal

It was real deep. Luckily no current otherwise I would have been headed down stream. It did not look deep until it was.

Yea SWAFF should be fine for the desert.

[matthew c davis]

5 minutes ago, 1.21GW said:

It was real deep. Luckily no current otherwise I would have been headed down stream. It did not look deep until it was.

Yea SWAFF should be fine for the desert.

after getting across did you immediate think to look at the air filter with the swaff?  your incident got me thinking that the swaff might be a great product for multiday rides, easy to clean the filter at a motel sink or even in a stream or creek...then have a little bottle of the oil ready to re-oil the air filter