would you like to see 350 400 cc 2 strokes?

[RWW enduro]

so kind of crossed my mind, seems most 2 strokes in the enduro world are starting to have more "low end" power and makes me wonder if a 350 or 400cc would be a nice line from say KTM or yamaha or something. Would you guys buy a 400cc 2 stroke? or would it be a bad idea?

[William1]

Not going to happen from the big three. no profit margin. They only still sell the 125 and 250 due to epa allowances based on CC and that the tooling is well established.

[Fatt_Tones]

 

A properly tuned 300 has loads and loads of torque, so I am not sure a larger bike is needed.  If anything they (as Beta has) should consider bringing back the 200.

 

[nobade]

Yep, a good 300 is a brute. Don't need more power though I suppose a bigger motor could be more mildly tuned and last longer. Maybe ditch the power valve and build something like a giant trials engine. I'd go for that.

[Fore-50]

nope.

The way of the future ( at least according the bike manufacturers that matter) is a 4 stroke in everyones garage.

Beta and gas gas don't sell enough bikes to matter. 

[NoFiddyPilot]

Just now, Fore-50 said:

nope.

The way of the future ( at least according the bike manufacturers that matter) is a 4 stroke in everyones garage.

Beta and gas gas don't sell enough bikes to matter. 

Beta is the fastest growing forum on TT. You're right, but maybe not forever. 

[BOAB]

Honda never.  Kawasaki probably never.  Suzuki no way.  Yamaha, I give it a 2% chance.  The euros...whatever.

[Fore-50]

18 minutes ago, Bryan Bosch said:

Beta is the fastest growing forum on TT. You're right, but maybe not forever. 

I only seen one Beta dealer in Canada. it was out west.

I haven't seen one Beta at a trail head or anywhere for that matter. They look like great bikes but hard to compete with large scale manufacturers with deep marketing pockets..like Honda. However, I have seen countless ALTA's ( electric dirt bikes) at tracks, even saw one on a trail in Michigan.

Come hell or high water. Electric bikes are the future. 

 

 

 

[SlowDinoDog]

2 hours ago, RideWithWill said:

so kind of crossed my mind, seems most 2 strokes in the enduro world are starting to have more "low end" power and makes me wonder if a 350 or 400cc would be a nice line from say KTM or yamaha or something. Would you guys buy a 400cc 2 stroke? or would it be a bad idea?

a modern 350cc or 400cc engine would be more weight and more rotational inertia...more waste heat...would turn and brake worse...worse gas mileage and more power than most Amateurs ever use off-road...how many times does the average 300 buyer ever go WOT? ...or say..."I wish I had more power".??

I do think a simpler, less expensive, de-tuned non-power valve engine would be interesting...?

[RWW enduro]

14 minutes ago, SlowDinoDog said:

a modern 350cc or 400cc engine would be more weight and more rotational inertia...more waste heat...would turn and brake worse...worse gas mileage and more power than most Amateurs ever use off-road...how many times does the average 300 buyer ever go WOT? ...or say..."I wish I had more power".??

I do think a simpler, less expensive, de-tuned non-power valve engine would be interesting...?

haha good point!!

[seer]

Half of the 300 riders shift more than 250 riders do to stay out of the power. 

 I enjoyed my 380exc because it was geared up as a dual sport and mostly ridden in sand. Now i dont even want a 300 for offroad only. 

 I do think there might be a small market for a mellow 50-55 hp counter balanced e start MX pinger. 350-400 2t cc can easily be easier to ride than a 250t in mx trim.  Less so for most offroad only guys. 

[SS109]

No thanks. A 250 does everything I need.

10 hours ago, Fatt_Tones said:

 

A properly tuned 300 has loads and loads of torque, so I am not sure a larger bike is needed.  If anything they (as Beta has) should consider bringing back the 200.

 

Beta has a 200 available. Check Youtube for the 200RR.

10 hours ago, Bryan Bosch said:

Beta is the fastest growing forum on TT. You're right, but maybe not forever. 

Yep, I have seen a huge increase in Beta ownership here in AZ. Seen a noticeable increase in Sherco as well but not like Beta.

[Drop-Bear]

Beta's are almost as common as KTM's over here now. Some rides have more Beta's than KTM's

[Fatt_Tones]

1 hour ago, SS109 said:

 

Beta has a 200 available. Check Youtube for the 200RR.

 

Yeah I’ve seen it.  That’s what I meant by my reference to Beta in parentheses in my original post.   Looks like a sweet machine ?

 

[1.21GW]

Similar to what others have said, 300 has so much usable power. I just can't see even the must advance riders needing more. Maybe Hill climb competition riders, but those bikes can be highly custom anyways.

Edited September 11, 2019 by 1.21GW

[Beta300REcat]

On 9/9/2019 at 8:24 AM, Fore-50 said:

Beta and gas gas don't sell enough bikes to matter. 

They sell 100% of my new bikes.

[shrubitup]

34 minutes ago, Beta300recat said:

They sell 100% of my new bikes.

You don’t matter

[Beta300REcat]

Just now, shrubitup said:

You don’t matter

I do to me and Beta! ?

?

[Beta300REcat]

On 9/9/2019 at 8:53 AM, Fore-50 said:

Electric bikes are the future.

 

[Fore-50]

10 minutes ago, Beta300recat said:

 

Electric bikes suck!

You can add the following to the list;

Electric weed whackers, leaf blowers, etc, etc 

I love internal combustion engines. Lol