mog Posted November 8, 2020 The troll continues A great season ,ac tangled in the start and broke his gear lever off ,tried to do a few laps in one gear but gave up A well deserved 2nd for the problem child lol As I said in the other troll post ,the yzf look great this year They look totally different to the ama bike in how fluid they look They are often near the front Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertCR Posted November 8, 2020 Works bike.....massaging the frame can make a big difference. It is interesting none the less. Is Prado back yet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mog Posted November 8, 2020 NO mate Could well be a different frame ,I've not heard anything about it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mog Posted November 8, 2020 Herlings got 12th in the championship Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMRider4Life Posted November 8, 2020 54 minutes ago, mog said: NO mate Could well be a different frame ,I've not heard anything about it @GBow521 claimed 2 or 3 years ago the GP frame would be on the AMA bikes and they'd be one of the best bikes out there, so far nothing has changed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBow521 Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, KTMRider4Life said: @GBow521 claimed 2 or 3 years ago the GP frame would be on the AMA bikes and they'd be one of the best bikes out there, so far nothing has changed. Yes, it has. My understanding is the softer suspension used in the GPs is the difference. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMRider4Life Posted November 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, GBow521 said: Yes, it has. My understanding is the softer suspension used in the GPs is the difference. Their results have not changed was my point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxaniac My Rides (8) Posted November 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, GBow521 said: Yes, it has. My understanding is the softer suspension used in the GPs is the difference. I always wonder how often the factory teams make works components despite the production rule. KTM is the only one I've ever heard a rider claim did that, but that gets in to a whole game of telling riders things to get their confidence up to. Oh yeah, this bike has a special unobtainium frame dude. You'll easily win this moto, don't tell anyone though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBow521 Posted November 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, KTMRider4Life said: Their results have not changed was my point. Barcia looked a lot better on some tracks vs last year. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GBow521 Posted November 9, 2020 21 minutes ago, mxaniac said: I always wonder how often the factory teams make works components despite the production rule. KTM is the only one I've ever heard a rider claim did that, but that gets in to a whole game of telling riders things to get their confidence up to. Oh yeah, this bike has a special unobtainium frame dude. You'll easily win this moto, don't tell anyone though. KTMs use a lot more works parts than the rest. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hans Schmid My Rides (2) Posted November 9, 2020 35 minutes ago, mxaniac said: I always wonder how often the factory teams make works components despite the production rule. KTM is the only one I've ever heard a rider claim did that, but that gets in to a whole game of telling riders things to get their confidence up to. Oh yeah, this bike has a special unobtainium frame dude. You'll easily win this moto, don't tell anyone though. In the GPs, full works bikes are allowed... The problem, even the most expensive, works bike in the world doesn't mean results. And ultimately reflects poorly that even the most trick bike in the world gets beat by some dude on a nearly stock bike... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KTMRider4Life Posted November 9, 2020 27 minutes ago, GBow521 said: Barcia looked a lot better on some tracks vs last year. I didn't think Barcia looked any different besides being terrible in Salt Lake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
777654321 Posted November 9, 2020 3 hours ago, mog said: The troll continues A great season ,ac tangled in the start and broke his gear lever off ,tried to do a few laps in one gear but gave up A well deserved 2nd for the problem child lol As I said in the other troll post ,the yzf look great this year They look totally different to the ama bike in how fluid they look They are often near the front Not the same bike. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxaniac My Rides (8) Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hans Schmid said: In the GPs, full works bikes are allowed... The problem, even the most expensive, works bike in the world doesn't mean results. And ultimately reflects poorly that even the most trick bike in the world gets beat by some dude on a nearly stock bike... Yes but when it gets to the minutia of things like stiffness the factory could do a lot. Jeremy Marten was talking about frame hours in an interview, and how different riders liked a different number of hours on them. Geico rotated them around the team to best suit the riders preferences. Then you have terrain, what's to keep a team from having a different frame for hard pack vs sand or loam? Then we have frames like the 09-12 CRF450, many riders just couldn't gel with that frame. I didn't particularly care for them, although I thought the 2013 was their best ever. But if the factory released a particularly horrible design for a platform that didn't suit riders of that caliber then, why not give them what they want? So when we know things as simple as motor mount torque or frame hours affect these guys, it really makes me wonder how far a factory team might go if they had no chance of getting caught. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ah665 My Rides (4) Posted November 9, 2020 It evens out, I suppose. MXGP 250s didn't have 4 Yamahas holeshotting every race and running up front like that either. I'd say overall it was a decent year for Yamaha both in AMA and GP, all things considered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mog Posted November 9, 2020 I agree totally Poor year for KTM ( would be a good year for any other brand ) But I feel KTM is cheating in 2021 3 brands is half the paddock Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxaniac My Rides (8) Posted November 9, 2020 24 minutes ago, mog said: I agree totally Poor year for KTM ( would be a good year for any other brand ) But I feel KTM is cheating in 2021 3 brands is half the paddock Using your money for R&D instead of layers of management, so that you actually profit in your business segment, isn't really cheating. Selling your customers overbloated crap for 4 years in a row would be a better definition of cheating I'm my opinion :). Cheating the customer anyway! 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted November 9, 2020 59 minutes ago, mog said: 3 brands is half the paddock Yeah. TLD was already a KTM 250 team though. Now it's red KTM and they added a 450 rider. So not really all that different from before. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ah665 My Rides (4) Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, mog said: I agree totally Poor year for KTM ( would be a good year for any other brand ) But I feel KTM is cheating in 2021 3 brands is half the paddock Injuries happen. That hurt KTM more than anything. And I see what you mean about the 3 teams thing, but I still think it's overall a good thing for the sport to add another team into the mix. 7 minutes ago, redrider144 said: Yeah. TLD was already a KTM 250 team though. Now it's red KTM and they added a 450 rider. So not really all that different from before. But there is also a KTM in-house 250 team, correct? So that still is 3 teams (Factory KTM, Gasgas and Husky)whereas this past year there was only 2 (for 250s) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted November 9, 2020 25 minutes ago, ah665 said: But there is also a KTM in-house 250 team, correct? So that still is 3 teams (Factory KTM, Gasgas and Husky)whereas this past year there was only 2 (for 250s) Yeah that's true, KTM is apparently adding an in house 250 team. More teams should be good for the sport. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
