motocross KTM to build Green bikes next?

[777654321]

7 hours ago, Piney Woods said:

What does/will a GPX owner do for parts when each batch of bikes coming across the pond has different components? No way a dist could support that. Is that just the risk you have to accept for buying a bike from china?

The new CRF 110  is made in China.

[mxaniac]

6 hours ago, mog said:

The aer really helps ,nothing you can do drops weight like the airfork

 

Just checked and it's 2kg (2% of bike total weight on a 250f) lighter  to a comparable 48mm cc type fork 

 

A full ti bolt setup and silencer will probably not be the same in weight saving 

I like the AER, after a good revalve I think they do well.  The only fork I've ever had I liked better was the PSF with an enzo LVSP setup.  That PSF was so horrible stock I couldn't stand riding through a gravel parking lot with them, but enzo knows his stuff.  The best two forks I've ever had were air forks, they just weren't dialed in from the factory.  I get the argument they don't cut it for pros, perhaps not.  I had a national level pro and former Husqvarna test rider tell me mine work great so they can't be that bad.  

[Budlite]

3 hours ago, Zinergy said:

You're asking for a lot. A 150sx is 200lbs with fuel or 192 without fuel. So you're asking for 12-20lbs less than a no frills mx bike. A bike that has no estart, no fi, no mode selection, traction control etc.. as basic as it gets in a chassis with suspension that is as light as you can get in a oem bike.

can't be built if someone doesn't try...

[Zinergy]

42 minutes ago, Budlite said:

can't be built if someone doesn't try...

They have been trying. Closest they are at is a 192lbs 150cc. Though the motor doesnt feel anything like the tractor like 200s of old. But with some modding they can pick up some bottom end.

[CORider63]

I think they have room to hit 200 pounds with an air-cooled engine in a mid-size frame:

2021 KX-100:

1984 IT200:

[Budlite]

11 hours ago, Zinergy said:

They have been trying. Closest they are at is a 192lbs 150cc. Though the motor doesnt feel anything like the tractor like 200s of old. But with some modding they can pick up some bottom end.

that bike is built with current weight limit restrictions in mind......remove the restrictions and they could do it or come very close....different forks and shocks,,,air cooled......I'm not talking a motocross bike. I'm talking off road....the 
Honda 150 expert is 185 wet and it's a four stroke.....an air powered two stroke and longer frame with modified suspension...it could be done

Edited November 20, 2020 by Budlite

[M E T A L A C I D]

Green bike? Nah, just make a few electrics to appease the tree huggers, and keep the gassers , well, gassing! This is the only cool green bike to me.

[Chaconne]

22 hours ago, redrider144 said:

It's crazy to think that as recently as 2014, the 250 SXF wasn't particularly light.  KTMs being the lightest happened after that.

It seems like around 2016 ish or somewhere around in there, KTM really doubled down, and the Japanese mfgs stood by and watched it happen.

That is when their Indian financing and parts manufacturing really kicked in. The Indians are their daddy. Bajaj plays hardball.

No more Euro socialist goofing off wasting teacher retirement funds to carry asses.... Oh wait that was Sweden...

[OUTERLIMITS]

13 hours ago, CORider63 said:

I think they have room to hit 200 pounds with an air-cooled engine in a mid-size frame:

2021 KX-100:

1984 IT200:

I would be first in line tomorrow to buy this IT if still made or one of the air cooled KDX's.  

[KTMRider4Life]

42 minutes ago, OUTERLIMITS said:

I would be first in line tomorrow to buy this IT if still made or one of the air cooled KDX's.  

Move to south or central america. I know they were building and selling them not long ago down there. They may still be, parts are plentiful too. I have a good friend who goes to Ecuador a few times a year typically and he says they're everywhere down there. 

[eastreich]

Just saying...

If I could have built my dream trail/tight woods bike back then, it would have been an '88 air cooled KIPS KDX200 engine in a 94-98 KX125 chassis.

And honestly, that still seems like a really good idea right now!

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1 hour ago, KTMRider4Life said:

Move to south or central america. I know they were building and selling them not long ago down there. They may still be, parts are plentiful too. I have a good friend who goes to Ecuador a few times a year typically and he says they're everywhere down there. 

Yeah there are some weird old air cooled bikes still sold down there that are used on farms and stuff, but I have not seen the old enduros still sold.

 

[KTMRider4Life]

1 hour ago, eastreich said:

Just saying...

If I could have built my dream trail/tight woods bike back then, it would have been an '88 air cooled KIPS KDX200 engine in a 94-98 KX125 chassis.

And honestly, that still seems like a really good idea right now!

Andrewgc who frequents KTMtalk.com and was rebuilding cranks for a long time used to build and race those in Texas. I heard he was a pretty bad ass dude on them too. I believe his parents are sick so he's not doing cranks anymore. Stand up guy and a good source for parts and information. 

 

https://www.cookseycrank.com/

[redrider144]

1 hour ago, KTMRider4Life said:

Andrewgc who frequents KTMtalk.com and was rebuilding cranks for a long time used to build and race those in Texas. I heard he was a pretty bad ass dude on them too. I believe his parents are sick so he's not doing cranks anymore. Stand up guy and a good source for parts and information. 

https://www.cookseycrank.com/

They still send top end kits for KTMs & a few other products.