redrider144 Posted December 15, 2020 52 minutes ago, Mongo134 said: What about the data thingmajiggers they put on their helmets for the race teams other than cameras? And what about Webbs "super cool retro MC" shark fin? If it's about "safety" then those would fall under the "...or other accessories" blanket ban. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted December 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, Mongo134 said: Chin bar mount but I haven't done a AMA sanctioned race in 3 years. Chin bar mount provides the best view IMO, but that would be banned from how the AMA wrote the rule. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted December 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Johnny Whitey said: Under visor, perfect view. I have 2 visors for my Shoei, one with the mount permanently riveted on. Yes that makes sense, but it all depends on how the AMA enforces their vaguely written rule. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxaniac My Rides (8) Posted December 15, 2020 Chest mounted GoPro footage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PB729 Posted December 15, 2020 I understand about the safety aspect of this, but of all the things to do, taking away a rider's freedom to record his race or practice ride seems really counter productive. Chest mounts suck to watch IMO. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crustybutt Posted December 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Arctic Pride said: goggle cam's already exist, video quality isn't great but that's not far off they can bark safety all the want if that was really the case there would have been action taken when Schumacher went into a coma from his skiing crash They mentioned that incident of part of the reason . That , along with ding dongs drilling helmets for nuts bolts and rivets , reducing the strength of the helmet . I'm not an engineer but do understand parts of the argument . 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ah665 My Rides (4) Posted December 15, 2020 8 hours ago, redrider144 said: Chest mount. Best option, imo. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Arctic Pride Posted December 15, 2020 50 minutes ago, Crustybutt said: They mentioned that incident of part of the reason . That , along with ding dongs drilling helmets for nuts bolts and rivets , reducing the strength of the helmet . I'm not an engineer but do understand parts of the argument . Schumacher's incident was 7 years ago. If they had released incidents where helmet mounted accessories had been deemed a cause of injury I could understand this motion. Last season they said "we own all this footage" and since that didn't work so well its all banned. As Red mentioned its so vauge it allows for on the fly judgement like Lit Pro being off the list. 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorBoatin Posted December 15, 2020 (edited) They tried this crap with Reed when he had that crazy triangle camera on his helmet because it wasn’t a GoPro The AMA loved helmet cams when GoPro was a paying sponsor and are now probably looking for a way to own the footage. They’ll probably push that fender cam that failed a few years back or some other POS Edited December 15, 2020 by MotorBoatin 3 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CORider63 My Rides (12) Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) How about this, since it's not really "attached?" Edited December 16, 2020 by CORider63 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Crustybutt said: They mentioned that incident of part of the reason Schumacher was injured in 2013. It took the AMA 7 years of analysis there? 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crustybutt Posted December 16, 2020 7 hours ago, redrider144 said: If it's about "safety" then those would fall under the "...or other accessories" blanket ban. It was among the many things they mentioned . I recall an article in either MXA or Dirt Bike that came out earlier this year . the article was , specifically , about Aria Helmets and their practice of keeping helmets as " round " as possible , while engineering any vent structures ( wings , fins , etc ) break off easily in a crash . It is their belief that helmets should not have anything protruding from the shell that can dig in to the ground and transmit rotational torque to the riders bean . You can probably google the article , it's quite informative . 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KABLEXXL Biden 2021 Posted December 16, 2020 I can't wait until AMA bans gasoline....... GO LIBS GO. 2 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redrider144 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Crustybutt said: It was among the many things they mentioned . I recall an article in either MXA or Dirt Bike that came out earlier this year . the article was , specifically , about Aria Helmets and their practice of keeping helmets as " round " as possible , while engineering any vent structures ( wings , fins , etc ) break off easily in a crash . It is their belief that helmets should not have anything protruding from the shell that can dig in to the ground and transmit rotational torque to the riders bean . You can probably google the article , it's quite informative . Helmets have visors right? Sounds like a thing that definitely fits the category of "can dig in to the ground and transmit rotational torque." The helmet visor breaks off though, without alot of force required. How does a GoPro suction-cupped onto the helmet or mounted under the visor alter that situation? Hint: It doesn't. This is about $$. Feld already tipped their hand awhile back when they tried blocking riders from uploading footage to YouTube. They also wouldn't let Chad Reed run a helmet cam that was from a competitor to GoPro. Edited December 16, 2020 by redrider144 3 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crustybutt Posted December 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, redrider144 said: Helmets have visors right? Sounds like a thing that definitely fits the category of "can dig in to the ground and transmit rotational torque." The helmet visor breaks off though, without alot of force required. How does a GoPro suction-cupped onto the helmet or mounted under the visor alter that situation? Hint: It doesn't. This is about $$. Feld already tipped their hand awhile back when they tried blocking riders from uploading footage to YouTube. They also wouldn't let Chad Reed run a helmet cam that was from a competitor to GoPro. Okay , then it's about money . 1 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MotorBoatin Posted December 16, 2020 I heard that this guy was just hired by the AMA 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowmass Posted December 16, 2020 at MX speed the helmet shell is not a big deal in probably 99.9% of crashes so a drill hole here or there isn't to be concerned about Sure the idea that a cam can catch on something and possibly be an issue is in theory a potential problem but so what. Ridding dirt bikes has soooo many more worthy things to think about than this. This is a libtard move of some kind. Money, power, etc etc I doubt very much that its anything to do with safety 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheath Posted December 16, 2020 When I saw how Marvin Musquin's head was accelerated into a instant stop in that practice crash, and he was still able to race, I was impressed by the quality of his helmet. Crash damage is about deceleration speeds, not travel speed. It is not uncommon to see concussion injuries in our sport. So I "guess" I understand the stance from the AMA/FIM. But I still don't think it should be a "mandate", over a personal decision, unless they can show where those devices can damage other riders on the course. That said, I hope this spurs some great designs. It sucks to have all that crap hanging off a helmet. Build it in to the helmet. Bell Helmets are made in China, they could get their hands on rip off copies of the telemetry & video gear to incorporate on the cheap. Troy Lee, 6D, Fox, and others could come out with some pretty cool stuff. Built in lighting, comms, display graphics. How about a helmet that changes graphics. It really kind of opens up a whole new era for helmets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mxaniac My Rides (8) Posted December 16, 2020 I'm sure a helmet mounted GoPro does add to the risk of serious injury, I just don't think that's what the AMA is worried about. They are worried about their own liability, not rider safety otherwise we'd see a lot more changes to safety gear, track design, and off course obstacles. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yz250f 78 Posted December 18, 2020 On 12/15/2020 at 5:33 PM, Crustybutt said: They mentioned that incident of part of the reason . That , along with ding dongs drilling helmets for nuts bolts and rivets , reducing the strength of the helmet . I'm not an engineer but do understand parts of the argument . I’m being serious, Does this really happen? Never seen a camera that was mounted on a helmet with nuts and bolts. Usually a sticky mount. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites