ged93 Posted December 23, 2020 Everybody here knows that Beta and Tm already have efi on 2 strokes , Tm uses tpi technology and Beta has his own patent . Now I would like to tell a little story , for those who are interested , about another italian brand ( almost lost brand ) which has the efi technology , even if they are a very small company : Villa - maybe some of you remember them , it's an historical brand , they make great bikes and fast big hores in '70-'80 s . Now they are back with a very small handcrafted production , they make only on request this mx 125 with efi and pneumatic ev : Here you can see some tests : Now , I've discovered that they made a prototype of a 300 with the same technology in collaboration with GG and an italian famous technician which is well known with his company as 'the magician of ecus' , he works with famous riders and manufacturers around the world , unfortunately GG went out of business before starting production or better tests ( the crazy thing is how simple that engine looks like ) Here is the owner and the bike , go to minute 6:50 : A real petty that this maybe would have been a game changing project for both GG and Villa , life is very unfair sometimes . He is a very kind and passionated man , we are slowly loosing these old school experts who has spent their entire life racing and making parts , people who can build a winning race bike just with hands , experience and a small shop , no needs of engineers and PCs ( in every big company like Beta , Sherco , Ktm , Honda .... there are always a couple of these old men who knows EVERYTHING about bikes and engineers/designers/testers/mechanics needs them to know if they are making things right , they keep all the secrets and tricks ) Beta , why not invest a bit on them or make a little joint venture ? 9 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odysseus Posted December 23, 2020 :Beta , why not invest a bit on them or make a little joint venture ?: Never happen . That insult at the wedding one hundred and fifty years ago sealed the fate of both. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wwguy Posted December 23, 2020 18 minutes ago, ged93 said: Everybody here knows that Beta and Tm already have efi on 2 strokes , Tm uses tpi technology and Beta has his own patent . Beta has confirmed plans for 2T EFI now? (I.e. technology + production plans + target launch date?) If so, I'm pretty sure this is news to most all of us. I read some rumors a couple of years ago about Beta applying for a 2T EFI design patent, but nothing since. Only asking because that's quite different from proven market-ready technology with production plans and timeline in place. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged93 Posted December 23, 2020 I'm in contact with a person which works pretty close to Beta ( I buy spare parts from him ) , he said me that , like Sherco , they want to launch the efi in 2024/25 when the new euro 5,6,7,8...10'000 what the f**k is called will not allow carbed 2 strokes as street legals anymore ( it was supposed in 2021 but it has been changed , again ) . They have bikes ready ( 250-300 ) but 125 is giving more problems he says , they started tests some years ago . Yes , at the moment the only official thing is the patent . 48 minutes ago, Odysseus said: Never happen . Yes , mine was a joke.... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged93 Posted December 23, 2020 52 minutes ago, Odysseus said: That insult at the wedding one hundred and fifty years ago sealed the fate of both For sure ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GP Posted December 23, 2020 That bike looks like an Italian Husky chassis/bodywork. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jmgatx Posted December 23, 2020 As long as they give us Neanderthals who still prefer a carb over complexity a chance to buy one before they become obsolete. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gkelm Posted December 24, 2020 Thanks...cool history! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
G.P. Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, ged93 said: ...they make great bikes and fast big hores in '70-'80 s . Sounds like a good time! 70-80 is a bit older than I’m used to...but I hear they all look the same in the dark! 9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K313 Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, ged93 said: they make great bikes and fast big hores in '70-'80 s Couldn't get past the fast big hores! 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FTC Posted December 24, 2020 5 hours ago, GP said: That bike looks like an Italian Husky chassis/bodywork. I noticed the same in the first video. That old dude pullin the front end up though 😆 . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ged93 Posted December 24, 2020 Ooops ... bores.... blacksmith hands/fingers are not the best to push small buttons on a phone... 3 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dirtbird Posted December 25, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 8:13 PM, ged93 said: Everybody here knows that Beta and Tm already have efi on 2 strokes , Tm uses tpi technology and Beta has his own patent . Now I would like to tell a little story , for those who are interested , about another italian brand ( almost lost brand ) which has the efi technology , even if they are a very small company : Villa - maybe some of you remember them , it's an historical brand , they make great bikes and fast big hores in '70-'80 s . Now they are back with a very small handcrafted production , they make only on request this mx 125 with efi and pneumatic ev : Here you can see some tests : Now , I've discovered that they made a prototype of a 300 with the same technology in collaboration with GG and an italian famous technician which is well known with his company as 'the magician of ecus' , he works with famous riders and manufacturers around the world , unfortunately GG went out of business before starting production or better tests ( the crazy thing is how simple that engine looks like ) Here is the owner and the bike , go to minute 6:50 : A real petty that this maybe would have been a game changing project for both GG and Villa , life is very unfair sometimes . He is a very kind and passionated man , we are slowly loosing these old school experts who has spent their entire life racing and making parts , people who can build a winning race bike just with hands , experience and a small shop , no needs of engineers and PCs ( in every big company like Beta , Sherco , Ktm , Honda .... there are always a couple of these old men who knows EVERYTHING about bikes and engineers/designers/testers/mechanics needs them to know if they are making things right , they keep all the secrets and tricks ) Beta , why not invest a bit on them or make a little joint venture ? As far as I - used- to know, Beta's old tricky guy is..... Austrian... 🤭 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Odysseus Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/24/2020 at 7:19 AM, ged93 said: Ooops ... bores.... blacksmith hands/fingers are not the best to push small buttons on a phone... Real cabbage grabbers huh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
M E T A L A C I D My Ride Posted December 26, 2020 On 12/23/2020 at 12:13 PM, ged93 said: Everybody here knows that Beta and Tm already have efi on 2 strokes , Tm uses tpi technology and Beta has his own patent . Now I would like to tell a little story , for those who are interested , about another italian brand ( almost lost brand ) which has the efi technology , even if they are a very small company : Villa - maybe some of you remember them , it's an historical brand , they make great bikes and fast big hores in '70-'80 s . Now they are back with a very small handcrafted production , they make only on request this mx 125 with efi and pneumatic ev : Here you can see some tests : Now , I've discovered that they made a prototype of a 300 with the same technology in collaboration with GG and an italian famous technician which is well known with his company as 'the magician of ecus' , he works with famous riders and manufacturers around the world , unfortunately GG went out of business before starting production or better tests ( the crazy thing is how simple that engine looks like ) Here is the owner and the bike , go to minute 6:50 : A real petty that this maybe would have been a game changing project for both GG and Villa , life is very unfair sometimes . He is a very kind and passionated man , we are slowly loosing these old school experts who has spent their entire life racing and making parts , people who can build a winning race bike just with hands , experience and a small shop , no needs of engineers and PCs ( in every big company like Beta , Sherco , Ktm , Honda .... there are always a couple of these old men who knows EVERYTHING about bikes and engineers/designers/testers/mechanics needs them to know if they are making things right , they keep all the secrets and tricks ) Beta , why not invest a bit on them or make a little joint venture ? Hey! I lika disa bike! 🤏 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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ged93 Posted December 26, 2020 18 hours ago, dirtbird said: As far as I - used- to know, Beta's old tricky guy is..... Austrian Yes he is , that's the truth , Beta took a great 2 stroke 'engineer' from KTM around 2009-2010 and he saved them from default developing the engines that we all know , the famous RR 300 engine is a combination of a KTM 300 with a Beta trial engine , with a couple of tricks 3 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cullins Posted December 26, 2020 2 hours ago, ged93 said: Yes he is , that's the truth , Beta took a great 2 stroke 'engineer' from KTM around 2009-2010 and he saved them from default developing the engines that we all know , the famous RR 300 engine is a combination of a KTM 300 with a Beta trial engine , with a couple of tricks I don’t know, I’m very familiar with the Beta trials motor inside and out. I don’t see any correlation between it and and RR motors. I wouldn’t even think they are from the same company if they both didn’t say Beta on them. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KRAYNIAL My Rides (7) Posted December 27, 2020 7 hours ago, Cullins said: I don’t know, I’m very familiar with the Beta trials motor inside and out. I don’t see any correlation between it and and RR motors. I wouldn’t even think they are from the same company if they both didn’t say Beta on them. Beta off road is a different foundry and a different factory from Beta Trials. Beta off road made it's money from building up the 50cc-199cc KTM motors and transmission for decades. Pull of the ignition cover and it says 'made in italy'. The Trials bike motors are die cast, not sand cast like the R series are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites