I just want to know what my fellow Yamaha thumper four stroke riders riders think about the best bike scenario? Up here in Idaho it is pretty much Honda CRF 450 land and soon to be RMZ 450 land as well. I know that the CRF 450 is a damn good bike, but according to the guys up here I am at a disadvantage before I get my bike off the stand. Even when I race hard with them and beat them- they say well, " You could be that much faster on a CRF man". I have rode the CRF for myself and liked it in some areas but liked my 04 YZ 450 better in some other areas. Now I read the RMZ 450 threads and they all say that it is better than the 05 CRF 450 and that the YZF is old technology! I just want to know what you guys think about this. I am not looking for a bike bashing thread just if you guys think we really are at a disadvatage.