What has happened to the XR600/XR650R group? Last year the talk was how to get more horsepower out of my XR650R. or How can I make my suspension better so I can ride faster or jump higher. or Mike Kay Racing the Dakar on his XR650R. or The XR650R winning the Baja 1000 (7 times) and winning the Baja Ironman. or What tire was better and why. or hwo to ride a wheelie at 70mph or How to go through the huge whoops at 70mph or Honda cheating in the Baja. But, now it's post like this: Why the XR600R is better or I sure wish i had my xr 600 but i thought the xr 650R would be a nice up grade what a mistake i made .What was Honda thinking when they built the xr 650R it rides like a ten speed in the sand all over the place the seat and handle bars need help and after paying over six thousand for it and have to re-jet change the intake pull the plugs out of the air box change the exhaust tip. My old xr 600 out of the box ran and rode fine without spending tons of money. So you guys that have xr 600s the xr 650r is not any better by far. or Well, I've owned the following bikes in recent years- -2000 XR400R (which I loved but eventually got sick of) -1999 WR400F (lasted two weeks then decided to blow the gearbox) -2001 XR650R (too much power and top-heavy feel, little ground clearance) .....and I'm back riding a '95 XR600- albeit with upgraded suspenion, if Honda were to release a new XR400/450/500/600 model from scratch that is light, simple (not even water cooling) and easy to work and reliable, I would be back on the Honda bandwagon, for now I'm happy riding the XR6. or Simply: 5-year extended care warranty. (I've used it, at least used to before it ran out) No Radiator... Install a POS supertrap with 8 disks, and a 15-tooth front sprocket. Now you have identical gearing to an XR650L from second gear onward, meaning that its true top speed is somewhere in the neighborhood of 115mph, 7500RPM. It will do it all day long, as long as you have fuel. It has a 190 watt stator - stock. Its engine is not made of balsawood, and tollerates abuse that that a katoom, 650R, YZ/WR450 CRF/X450 would take a trip to the hospital after. The seat IS COMFORTABLE! And with all of that, you'll have enough money left over for some REAL good suspension, and possibly an A-Loop kit.. Still about $2000 left over.. Now you have a bike with more modern ergonomics, EASY to start, 115mph top speed (with a still-usable 1st gear) bulletproof engine, simple carburetor.. I think the REAL question becomes: How could you knowingly buy an overpriced bike that you know you will have to pull the motor on, is as uncomfortable as sitting on a monkey bar all day, demands a finicky oil change every 100 miles or less, goes through clutch plates as quickly as brake pads, can't run without water, has NO factory warranty, is no significant imporvement over a 1993 XR600R? I love the one about the XR650R having to much power so he had to sell it!!! No wonder Mike KAY left, what happened did all the office guy's go out and buy up used XR600R's and XR650L's and show up on the Thumper talk 650/600 group? It's like all the office guy's that ran out and bought Harley's to look cool and act tough but, they are not the same as the guy's with patch. Sure it's cool to have a XR600R or XR650L and cruise fire road and two track but, that doesn't make them better then the XR650R (Well maybe they are for that type of riding). The guy's on this group last year really looked down on guy's with XR600R's and XR650L's and it was hashed out and they let up now and the guy's with those bikes are bashing the XR650R like it's junk. All I can think is there must be a bunch of fat office guy's with old bikes jealous of guy's with newer bike that can ride them FREE IRONDUDE!!!! __________________ All about the XR650R http://xr650r.borynack.com FREE IRONDUDE!!