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Hi Guys, just joined up and am looking at buying an SM within the year.

Currently driving a little 50cc moped (dont laugh) but going to do my full licence etc etc and go straight onto an SM.

Basically I want a factory standard one and have been looking at most like a Suzuki DRZ400 SM as it looks really nice and sounds good from what I've heard but I wanted some more opinions from you guys, Im looking at 400-650cc although probably the smaller size as it will be cheaper to buy and insure I think.

I have had a look through the forums and its hard when you dont know much as I think a lot are the modified off road ones which isnt the route I want to go so remember Standard Factory SMs only :)

Oh and it is only for road use not racing at all, of course I might do some track days just for fun at a later date though.

Thanks in Advance

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It all depends on what you are going to use it for? Racing or the Street, a few more details would help.

KTM, Husqvarna, Husaberg, and Suzuki are the big names making factory bikes.

If you are using it for the street I would go for the KTM SMC 625, Husky 610SM or Suzuki DRZ400SM.

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Yep its purely for the street, I have looked at KTMs and Huskys as well just wasnt sure on their reliability on the long term as a day to day bike. Also are they not quite a bit more expensive over the DRZ400?

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For a road-going motard you could also be considering the KTM LC4 or Duke, Yam XT660X, Honda FMX650, MZ Baghira/Mastiff.

Nowt wrong with the DRZ, mind. :)

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I have the DRZ and the SMC. They are very much different bikes with the KTM being much more sophisticated and powerful (in stock form). The DRZ is more comfortable and, if modded, can put out a lot more power than stock (see the DRZ forum on the 475 mod). The KTM feels a lot more comfortable on the street as far as power and gearing, but the DRZ is at home on the dirt like the KTM. My DRZ is the S model, not the SM so there isn't a SM to SM comparo here.

What exactly are you hoping for? What don't you like - do like?

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Whatever none-racing supermoto youll buy, DO NOT try out a race-motard. You will never appriciate your streetmotard as much again.

KTM 660 is the weapon of choice over here amongst streetmotards.

KTM 625 is the lazy guys 660.

KTM 640 is the version of 625 for those who are afraid of the deamon inside. (more weight, less power, less maintennance)

Honda XR650 (you can buy it with motard kit installed over here in Sweden) is something between those bikes. (and it never breaks)

Suzuki DRZ400SM is the slow, SLOW moped.

Yamaha XT660X is the heavy stone.

Honda FMX 650 is the slow moped heavy stone.

Husaberg 650 is the brutal choice with more hours in the garage doing service than out on the street actually riding it. You will have the most fun on this bastard when you get to a track tho. Its registrered at 9kW in Sweden, which means almost no cost to insure it.

Then youve got the Husky's, which I dont know about, they are prolly pretty good, and then the Gasgas 450 which is probably quite fun to ride but I think 450cc is to little for the street. And then theres CCM which is a quite heavy suzuki engine, wouldnt recomend that bike.

And oh, theres two more beasts, the Highland 950 V2 supermoto which is awesome but would probably be kinda hard to get spare parts to, and the KTM 950 supermoto which is almost as cool as the highland, but just almost, and its a KTM which means that you can get spare parts. I guess both of these are pretty expensive when it comes to insurance.

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If you're a total newbie to street riding the DRZ will put a healthy grin on your face. It's a very capable bike with a proven pedigree and reputation that can deliver the goods at a less than racy pace. But if corners is where your grins come from then you may never want for more. I've been riding a DR350 since last fall and recently got a test ride on a DRZ SM and found that the DRZ was stronger than my older DR but not by that much. I was just expecting more of a hit. But the adequite power it does deliver is over a broad range and is not going to get you into trouble as a newbie.

Only a few days ago I had a chance to ride a Husky 510SMR at our local track school night. If the DRZ is a nice bike the Husky was just plain naughty and put a HUGE grin on my face. I was actually hootin' and hollerin' inside my helmet. But then I've been riding many a year and if this is your first venture into street riding the DRZ SM will do the same for you.

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KTM 660 is the weapon of choice over here amongst streetmotards.

KTM 625 is the lazy guys 660.

KTM 640 is the version of 625 for those who are afraid of the deamon inside. (more weight, less power, less maintennance)

Honda XR650 (you can buy it with motard kit installed over here in Sweden) is something between those bikes. (and it never breaks)

Can you please expand on your remarks as to why the 625 is a 'lazy guy' bike? Why do you say that?

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Can you please expand on your remarks as to why the 625 is a 'lazy guy' bike? Why do you say that?

I'd imagine it's because you sacrifice power and weight for electric start and longer service intervals.....

:)

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DRZ would be a good choice starting out, nice and reliable and easy to sell on when you want something nuttier :)

Hello Stoo :)

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Hello Stoo :)

Evening squire!

You get that stuff about noise reducing the Yam OK?

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I'd imagine it's because you sacrifice power and weight for electric start and longer service intervals.....

:)

Oh, how much power & weight? AFAIK, we don't get the 660 on this side.

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The 625 doesn't have an electric starter. Or am i wrong? The difference between 640SM and 625SM is that 640 has an e-start+battery so its heavier,and the 625 has an FCR carb and KTM's competition exhaust so it has more power. Now, the difference between 625 and 660 is that 660 has bigger displacement and compression ratio from the 625. Tom i would suggest u the XR650R SM cos i love how it looks, simple+brutal, plus you have an unbreakable motor.And if you add to it at least a good carb+exhaust (cos we all do some modification to our bikes sooner or later) you get about the same-or more- power than KTMs plus you still have that unbreakable motor,with a compression ratio 10:1 so you can play more later and raise its power!!

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Things may vary by country. I have a 625 SMC which has a ported head and the competition exhaust plus the FCR carb (41 mm) and e start. Others from Europe report a different carb.

The 650R is a fine bike, but I'd have to convert it to a SM and then try to get it street legal. The L is the street legal model in the USA. That is quite weak compared to the R. Also the R has a rather high need for maintenance - or so the folks who own them in the US tell me.

Then too, I like the e start on the SMC where I sure didn't enjoy kicking the squat out of thumpers in the past. I've done my share.....

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Evening squire!

You get that stuff about noise reducing the Yam OK?

Yeah mate, cheers for that. :)

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It sounds like the DRZ400SM is the bike for you. It is the smallest displacement factory SM bike, which is good when stepping up from a moped. It is a competent "urban assault vehicle", and is not really a competitive race bike like the 450s and up, but extremely fun :) .

I had just looked at an XR650L, which I liked but it was about 3 inches too tall (I'm 6' 0"), and I was not impressed with the power. Then the DRZ400SM caught my eye. I like it instantly when I sat on it and both my feet were flat on the floor. It still has loads of travel, rides smoothly on the street, is easy to ride but can be revved up and ridden hard if necessary. It has all of the street running gear. In my opinion, it was the ultimate dual purpose bike; for me that's 80% on road, 20% off. Sounds like a supermoto race doesn't it?

But you really have to start from your budget: How much can you spend? The DRZ400SM is new for 2005 so you can't find a used one. New ones are going out the door between $5600 and $6800 (USD).

Check around, you may be able to pick up a used KTM, Husky, or Husaberg for less.

Have fun, no matter what you purchase!

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My buddy has one and it's pretty nice.

It is sprung for two passengers, so a re-spring may be in order. It tops out at around 70mph, but has GOBS of torque, so could easily handle a smaller sprocket.

Also, his speedo is way fast... I think they forgot to recalibrate the speedo for the 17" front tire :) I was pacing him with my truck, I was at 70 (GPS verified) and he was pinned in 5th at "80".

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only 70mph on a 400cc? Blimey that is slow..... I'm mainly looking for something to get to work on but thats also a bit of fun that I can take out and open up on the motorways and relieve some stress, as I said its only going to be a road bike and is also my first real bike coming up from a 50cc moped.

I'm looking at spending around £3000, so thats about $5500 I think. I was really looking at getting a 2nd hand bike from a dealer to bring my price down a little bit so if the DRZ400SM is only just out that might not be possible.

KTMs do look nice but Id want one in black or silver not the standard orange so that might be a problem.

So far though it seems a KTM or the DRZ is the weapon of choice, I really do want something that wont need a lot of work on it so that may put out some choices, are KTMs realiable? Also are the Huskys realiable to?

I also want something that I dont have to take to a specialist to get serviced which was why a suzuki does sound like a good idea.

By the way thanks so far everyone for all your help, although now my choice is getting wider he he :)

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:):):D:D 50cc moped :D

drz400 or ktm are the two best choices although husabergs and huskys are great too!

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