is anyone running two2cool in their pit bike?

[Kx250FRiDeR651]

my sdg feels really hot after i ride even if its just for a few mins.. the oil level is fine runs strong just gets HOT..does anyone run the two2cool stuff in thier bike? i wanna know how it works in a pit bike... i just ordered some right now hope it solves my problem ?

[Jetster220]

I run it, and it works.

[scheffaa]

whats is two2cool.

[CRF50Racer]

nice Don... heres the webpage... www.two2cool.com

[Ridingsikk]

yea im about to run it my sikk gets way hot but 1.3 hp increase on a ktm 50? that sounds kinda far fetched

[T-Doshi9]

its a two stroke!! remember that!! wayyyyy diff!! heat kills that motor!!

[Kx250FRiDeR651]

yep..the more h.p u create the hotter it gets thats why u see pro teams wrap the bottom of there gas tanks with foil and use insulated rad hoses to keep the heat down to help it get the max h.p output.... colder is better lol

[T-Doshi9]

the cold air intake is alittle diff.... cold air is more compressed and that means more air + more gas + ignite it = bigger boom and more HP!! shorthand terms!!

[Kx250FRiDeR651]

hey but its cold right lol

[RC876]

yea im about to run it my sikk gets way hot but 1.3 hp increase on a ktm 50? that sounds kinda far fetched

Thanks for the interest. Please forgive our site. For months now we have planned to update it. But now have decided to rework the entire site.

The figure 1.3hp on a 50 cc mini isnt from us. It was from one of the first people out of house to do extensive testing with two2cool. The test was performed by Ken Carter owner of Pomona Valley KTM. Ken just so happens to be one of the biggest in the mini motocross scene.

The 1.3hp gain was after the bike had oil temps well above 350f then two2cool was added. In no way do we claim that by adding two2cool to a bike thats cold will raise the hp that much.

TH racing and many other 50 builders have claimed thesame gains. The 2 stroke 50's get hotter than any other ofroad bike and have oil tems reaching 400f at times.

Many pit bike riders have claimed that their bikes dont loose the power at the end of the moto they did without two2cool. This is including Craig Mason owner of fast 50's.

On any bike we have ever testing on the dyno and got the oil temps above 300f. We gained hp by adding two2cool. At times we have gained 3 hp on a 450 2hp on a 250f. Again these bikes were run close to the point of failure tested then two2cool was added and ran again to get the results.

Thanks Norman

[T-Doshi9]

nice thanks for that !!

[Ridingsikk]

alright thank you for the inside info and i just realized that those KTM 50s are one gear and they must get really hot

breather kit

header wrap

oil cooler

two2cool

all of that could result in an increase of power right?

[T-Doshi9]

yeah they are all upgrades that help!!

[RC876]

alright thank you for the inside info and i just realized that those KTM 50s are one gear and they must get really hot

breather kit

header wrap

oil cooler

two2cool

all of that could result in an increase of power right?

Yes sir they sure do. The 50cc mini motocrossers have the hottest oil temps out of any offroad motorcycle.

The clutches/oil temps get so hot on these bikes that stator failure is common. This is why you see the ktm/cobra mini dads immediately remove the stator cover to let it cool after the moto.

All of the mods you mentioned would definately help the pit bikes. Especially big bore strokers.

[Ridingsikk]

man this is why i love when the guys from the company come on the net and give the down low on stuff

thank you again

[urbandirt]

> I run it [Two2Cool], and it works.

>

Two2Cool works... in the short run only.

The boiling point of Two2Cool according to the MSDS (Material

Safety Data Sheet) published (required by U.S. law) by the makers

of Two2Cool , is 375 degrees F. Regular motor oil boils around

550 degrees F.

Two2Cool works by boiling off. When anything boils (goes from a

liquid state to a gas state) it take a tremendous amount of

energy out of the system. This is called the phase-change effect.

The phase-change effect also happens when a substance goes from a

solid to a liquid.

Once any part of your bike's oiled surfaces (think the hot engine

head) reach 375 degrees F. Two2Cool boils taking heat (energy)

out of the engine. The vapors leave via the crankcase vent.

This cooling will happen until the Two2Cool is completely

evaporated.

What damage can this cause? Think of the bubbles generated in a

pot of boiling water. Would you want a bubble (void) of no

lubrication to appear between your engine's cam lobe and rocker

arm?

Besides being extremely cost prohibitive, I doubt you'll find any

professional engine builder out there that recommends putting

*any* substance in your engine's crankcase that boils at 375

degrees F.

Here's a warning I've already sent out to other motorsports

forums:

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Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:47:22 -0400

To: moto.org

From: Russell Stephan

Subject: Two2Cool oil additive.

Maybe you guys have heard about this stuff. The web page is

completely devoid of any "hard" facts about how it works to cool

an engine drastically (like 30 degrees F drastic).

Although the company's owner, one Russell Clay, claims some new

chemical with special heat seeking properties is responsible, a

review of the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) reveals the

additive's boiling point to be 375 degrees F. That's pretty low

to be in with the oil. Oil usually boils around 550 degrees F.

So how does Two2Cool actually work? The low boiling point allows

drastic engine cooling through the well-known process of liquid

to gas phase-change when oil temperatures start nearing the

additive's boiling point. Lots of energy is removed from any

system when a substance goes from solid to liquid or liquid to

gas. The venting of the gas to atmosphere happens through the

crankcase breather.

The cooling effect is drastic but only temporary until the

Two2Cool is completely boiled off from the engine.

Here's the sad part... The owner of the company actually believes

he has discovered some substance that by-passes the traditional

laws of thermodynamics.

Give him about a week to talk with his various experts and

realize the error of his theories. If he hasn't changed his tune

by then, he's snake oiling for dollars on purpose.

The science is well-known to those that paid attention in high

school physics and chemistry. Don't let Mr. Clay's chemical

yammer babble deflect from the very basic idea of the

conservation of energy. The energy in must equal the energy out.

There is no such thing as disappearing heat. Energy can neither

be created nor destroyed. It can only change form.

If you'd like to follow this complete thread check out

www.thumpertalk.com. Go to forums, XR250/400, and look over the

topic "two2cool oil additive". It's extremely long, I know. I'm

going to try and cull my main points out for further

dissemination on the web.

This guy charges an arm and a leg for this stuff. It's pure

bogus.

[RC876]

Mr urbandirt has no first hand knowledge of how two2cool works. I have time and time again offered to explain it to him personally on the phone. He has time and time again refused to take me up on the offer.

This only shows he has an agenda. Now he has resorted in finding other threads about two2cool and bashing the product.

I also have a guarantee that no one including Urbandirt has taken us up on. It has been posted here on thumpertalk more than once.

The guarantee is for anyone who wants to take us up on the offer to come whitness a test with two brand new RMZ250's. if the test doesnt go as we say it will we will give bother bikes to you. We do more into detail and offer to let you condust the test.

Again Urbandirts decision not to come collect the free bikes only goes to show he has an agenda.

Now from a personal standpoint I think his actions are nothing more than a coward and think he is a chickenshit.

ASnyone else having questions or concers please feel free to contact us, 863 357 3400 Norman

[urbandirt]

The boiling temperature of Two2Cool was published on their data sheet. The mechanics of energy release (cooling) by phase changes of substances are well-studied and well-documented.

Two2Cool works... Only in the short run until boil-off is complete, however.

Check the XR400R forum for the experiments I've proposed to eliminate the various variables in Mr. Clay's previous data gathering efforts.

Lets not forget that "cold fusion" submarined the careers of two prominent scientists because of improper data gathering and skewed observations.

[scheffaa]

URBANDIRT if you wanna shit talk a product go and do it in the general forum instead of wasting peoples time in the pit bike forum were people come to learn and ask questions not hear you bag a product time and time again when you have no evidence to support you findings.

so as politely as i can i am asking you to piss off or stop shi talking a product you have no indepth knowledge about.

[yz400fl1]

Sooooo, are you guys running it or not???