Awsome information from people on my previous yz450 posts. thanx There is a local dealer in my area that still has a brand new 04' yz450 on their showroom floor. What would be a good price to throw at them to get the best deal? Here is what we talked about when I first went in the dealership: they said the original price was $6299, the would sell it to me for $5500. I offered them $4600. They said no, they owed too much on it. I looked on kbb.com and for a retail on the 04' its closer to my figure that I gave them. They called my house and left a message to call them back. So I wonder...if they said ok with 4600 do u think I could get it for even lower? I am excited and may blow my chances but need some negotiating advice on this really bad! Please reply asap because I plan to go back tomorrow(Sat.) to work this out.