Just bought the little man his first bike today (went with the new Yamaha TTR-50 -- thanks to whoever recommended that I look at it). Anyway, I've always had good luck finding slightly used bikes for myself. So, I had no experience with the dealer "junk" fees. Holy crap. The little 50 was $ 1150.00 list. I asked the guy to work up an out-the-door price. He comes back with $ 1650.00. What??!! Oh yes, the $ 90 freight fee, the $ 150 doc fee, and the $ 90 assembly fee........plus tax. What a joke. I ended up around $ 1250 after some work. Still probably got screwed. Seemed okay though. Just in case I do decide to buy a new bike (I'm about due to trade out again), anyone have any rules-of-thumb for what you can get off. Like all the junk fees plus 10% off the list, or just all the junk fees? Basically, I ended up at list plus sales tax with no junk fees. Just wondering for the future. One would think there is more room to move with the higher price (adult) bikes.