I struggle with all of the toughs how hang in a CRF 150/230 forum and respond to any question about either of those bikes with something like. "Those bikes suck get an XR250 or CR250". Hey get over to those forums and be with your peeps. The people coming on this thread are interested in this class of bike for whatever reason, be it cost, experience, riding intestes etc.. I know there was another thread about langauge and such but thought this one ought to get some attention. If I have questions about a different class of bike I will move to those forums and get said information. All of those too cool for school kids with your crazy Super X bikes. Go over and pester them unless you are just talking sh!^ and likely have a briggs and stratton rupp anyway.