So I went to the dealer last night..... He agreed on 4000.00 for the '03... I whished I had a dealer like yours in my area. One of the local place had a used '03. He wouldn't go below $3750 for it. And that's with a bashed (and leaking) right radiator, and no starter upgrade. And the yamaha dealer quoted me $4000 for a used '02 (same guy who quoted me $1000 for a used PW80 when a new one is $1200 or so). I didn't even bother trying to haggle. bruno.