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haven"t rode there yet ! what are the trails like ? sand ,hardpack ? went to st helens there were 5 of us & everyone hated it ! looking for hardpack or loamy conditions any recomendations of where to go ?

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North side of the ausable (old state house trail) lots of banked sandy turns. South side of river is all wide fast riding very sandy.

Arent too many trails in MI that arent sandy. St Helen is one of the nicer systems I ride in (south side of 75). North side of 75 is pretty crappy and easy to get lost. If your looking for more hardpack, go to tomahawk.

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where is that at , tomahawk a group of us ride alot of tracks and friends have 3 real nice kickers 30 40 60 feet jumps

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If you are looking for tracklike conditions, you wont find any on the trails. In tomahawk, it is tight single track (atvs dont fit).

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