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Well where I live in good crappy old NJ, there basically isn't anywhere to ride legally. So everbody that rides just rides the trails illegally and if they get stopped by the cops, sometimes their bikes are impounded, sometimes they get fines up to $1,500, sometimes trespassing tickets, etc. Now if I had a street legal plated dual-sport bike and was stopped by a cop in the woods, what tickets could I get? could I get any DMV tickets against my drivers license for riding wildly in the woods? could they impound my bike and fine me?

Just trying to weigh out the risks of if it's worth getting a dual-sport bike or just forgetting the entire idea of a dirtbike or atv all together in this crappy state.

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Ridermann, I feel your pain. There are grass roots groups in your state. They're folks like you that are fighting for rights of riders and lands to do it on. The AMA website can direct you to them. This would be a good place to network and find areas you may have not known about. Don't let them win and drive you away from the sport. Sometimes for fun, I like to go into an REI backpacking store and start talking to the sales guy about GPS. Then, when I have 2 or 3 people listening in, I tell em I ride with the gps on my dirtbike. They about crap right there.

There's also a Sierra club walk in Signal Hill by my house. I've gone to the walks wearing offroad ride shirts. I talk to people and try to put a face on offroaders. Half the time these people vote for land closures or for limiting use and they don't even know what the ramifications are. Damn, I'm starting to rant.

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Infiltrate their ranks!!! If enough of us join the green clubs we can become a voting force! Hmmm, sometimes I scare myself!!!!!!!!

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I thought the "New England Trail Riders" documented places or more specific trails to ride. Years ago (70's) when they published the magazine it contained roll charts for trail rides. That is where I got the idea for my first Dual Sport trail ride with roll charts in '81.

Unfortunately there is very little public land in New England. I think most of the "open" land is owned by the utilities and some let you treaspass and some don't.

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"If" it ever gets that bad that there just isnt any legal place to ride anymore im just gonna vote that they ban everyone from the area, hikers, horseback riders, everyone. At least that way the "greenies" they will have to either break the law or just give up their pastime/sport just like the the off road community is being forced to do now, whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

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lvduke, you dont have to worry about banning them, that's the plan. The ultimate goal is to keep everyone off the lands and wilderness. That includes horses, mountain bikes and even hikers in some areas. Why wait till it gets that bad. We can stop them now if we get organized. Let the people that represent you in your district know you vote. Once it's gone, it's gone. I refuse to be subject to someone elses views of what recreation on public lands should be. Their transparent tactics and smoke screens about saving a particular weed or bug are wearing thin. The offhighway voters are seen as disorganized and ineffictive. WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TO GET THE LAWMAKERS ATTENTION.

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why not ride a fully off road bike and just not stop.............?

this was my thoughts exactly... or a legal dual sport and not stop ..?

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this was my thoughts exactly... or a legal dual sport and not stop ..?

That reminds me of the people at the dump station in Ocotillo Wells last weekend. I watched $30,000. Toy Haulers, one after the other, pull up and dump and not pay the $10.00 bucks because it was on the honor system. It used to be a couple bucks but nobody was paying so they raised it to cover the guys that couldn't muster the few bucks.

This is why we have ethics courses for corporations now. When did it become acceptable to cheat, lie, run from the cops? Is this what you teach your kids? My son got a $350.00 litering ticket for dragging a computer behind his bicycle in a shopping mall 3 months ago. He got the ticket because he was the only one of his group that stayed around long enough to clean up the mess. I hated paying the fine, but I was proud he did the right thing.

You're pissed because you have no place to ride? When was the last time you invested an hour in attending a meeting, hearing, or endorsing a candidate that is for our sport? I know you spent hours researching your last bike, camping trailer, tire, handlebars etc.

A lot of the problems related to land closures are due to people doing things like illegal riding and running loud pipes. Yes, I know, they'll always find something to try to nail us on. But if we take away enough of the obvious ones, they start to look petty, vindictive and lose the high ground. Parade your family and offroader friends around the halls of your state Capitol, we do it here in California and it has an impact. And this is friggin Communist Kalifornia. Start a lobby day in your state. Get as many offroad people to descend on your lawmakers as you can. Get noticed in a positive way, show them your face, don't run from them.

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I'm not saying he should run form the cops. I'm asking why he is not.

if you live in a place that you cant ride you should just move.

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lvduke, you dont have to worry about banning them, that's the plan. The ultimate goal is to keep everyone off the lands and wilderness. That includes horses, mountain bikes and even hikers in some areas. Why wait till it gets that bad. We can stop them now if we get organized. Let the people that represent you in your district know you vote. Once it's gone, it's gone. I refuse to be subject to someone elses views of what recreation on public lands should be. Their transparent tactics and smoke screens about saving a particular weed or bug are wearing thin. The offhighway voters are seen as disorganized and ineffictive. WE HAVE TO CHANGE THAT TO GET THE LAWMAKERS ATTENTION.

From what I see happening around here it seems like its not about saving the enviorment at all, its about getting everyone off the land, then once that is done some developer with millions of dollars to spend gets the green light to build another casino or another master planned community. Its all about the allmighty dollar. I guess mabey I dont understand the "greenies" motivation, If people are allowed to use the land but use it wisely it can contribute to the local economy and still remain somwhat of a wilderness area, but if everyone is banned from it then after awhile no one cares about the area anymore and no one really notices when someone comes allong and starts to develop the land, still good for the economy, but good by wilderness and hello urban sprawl.

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There was a study by the Forest study recently released. 90 percent of forest users do not want any motorized recreation in the forests. That leaves 10 % of the users that want to recreate with a motor. Just the sheer numbers make it an uphill battle.

Forget the developers. Developers aren't the issue, the greens don't know what they want. They just want us off the land. They want anyone without a walking stick and shoes out of the forests and deserts. The people that should be up in arms are the people with disabilities. They are shut out of a large part of a lot of areas if they cant drive into these areas.

I'm just as frustrated as everyone else. Like i said, I'm from California and it doesn't get any more Twilight Zone-ish than it does here. But this past year I've been going to Washington and my State Capitol. I've seen how easy it is to sway a lawmakers opinion. Bring em votes, and plenty of em. Show them you are a family in the community. I did a little research and found out that 82% of the people in my city own a recreational vehicle of one sort or the other. This includes boats, motorhomes, trailers, dirt bikes and atv's. I talked to my local representatives and knowing that number opened a few eyes. We have to come together as a power base. The AMA is pushing this theme........"two wheels, one voice". This will help steeet and dirt riders alike. There's an AMA seminar coming up in March of next year. It's called the AMA introduction to Washington. I went last year and it was incredible. The AMA legal team helped set up meeting with my state reps. I learned how to get in the door and get my message across. I also learned you dont always get what you want in politics. But you can make inroads and alliances.

I'm sorry if I got a little offtrack, but I've spent a lot of money this year and I've spent my Districts money on political issues. I hate to see it wasted by an act of poor judgement. Who do you think has more clout, an irate property owner screaming at the local Sheriff, or a faceless "outlaw" dirtbiker?

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But this past year I've been going to Washington and my State Capitol. I've seen how easy it is to sway a lawmakers opinion. Bring em votes, and plenty of em. Show them you are a family in the community. I did a little research and found out that 82% of the people in my city own a recreational vehicle of one sort or the other. This includes boats, motorhomes, trailers, dirt bikes and atv's. I talked to my local representatives and knowing that number opened a few eyes. We have to come together as a power base. The AMA is pushing this theme........"two wheels, one voice". This will help steeet and dirt riders alike. There's an AMA seminar coming up in March of next year. It's called the AMA introduction to Washington. I went last year and it was incredible. The AMA legal team helped set up meeting with my state reps. I learned how to get in the door and get my message across. I also learned you dont always get what you want in politics. But you can make inroads and alliances.

I'm sorry if I got a little offtrack, but I've spent a lot of money this year and I've spent my Districts money on political issues. I hate to see it wasted by an act of poor judgement. Who do you think has more clout, an irate property owner screaming at the local Sheriff, or a faceless "outlaw" dirtbiker?

Thanks for your efforts Kiethco! :banghead:

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That reminds me of the people at the dump station in Ocotillo Wells last weekend. I watched $30,000. Toy Haulers, one after the other, pull up and dump and not pay the $10.00 bucks because it was on the honor system. It used to be a couple bucks but nobody was paying so they raised it to cover the guys that couldn't muster the few bucks.

This is why we have ethics courses for corporations now. When did it become acceptable to cheat, lie, run from the cops? Is this what you teach your kids? My son got a $350.00 litering ticket for dragging a computer behind his bicycle in a shopping mall 3 months ago. He got the ticket because he was the only one of his group that stayed around long enough to clean up the mess. I hated paying the fine, but I was proud he did the right thing.

You're pissed because you have no place to ride? When was the last time you invested an hour in attending a meeting, hearing, or endorsing a candidate that is for our sport? I know you spent hours researching your last bike, camping trailer, tire, handlebars etc.

A lot of the problems related to land closures are due to people doing things like illegal riding and running loud pipes. Yes, I know, they'll always find something to try to nail us on. But if we take away enough of the obvious ones, they start to look petty, vindictive and lose the high ground. Parade your family and offroader friends around the halls of your state Capitol, we do it here in California and it has an impact. And this is friggin Communist Kalifornia. Start a lobby day in your state. Get as many offroad people to descend on your lawmakers as you can. Get noticed in a positive way, show them your face, don't run from them.

Ive never had that problem here with no place to ride... theres pleanty of ride area , i never trailer to a ride spot... just leave my driveway and go 500 feet to the trailhead, ride 22 miles of singletrac in a loop to a 2 mile blacktop road home.

sorry you californians have so much crap to go thru to ride, but thats EXACTLY why i left the bay area in 1989 and havent been back.

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If you think you're safe by living outside of Kalifornia? Read this:

AMA seeks answers to stifled dual-sport ride in Vermont

August 25, 2004 – The AMA has sent letters to the Vermont state attorney general and the Windham County sheriff demanding to know why the Sheriff's Department intimidated riders and shut down a dual-sport ride in Windham County before the first bike even set out on the route.

The ride, the 5th annual AMA/New England Trail Rider Association-sanctioned Red Fox Turkey Run set for August 8, was organized by the Pathfinders Motorcycle Club. But before the approximately 300 riders could head off on the ride that morning, officers from the Windham County Sheriff's Department showed up in force at the staging area and told riders they would be arrested if they started riding.

"They threatened me with citation/summons, arrest, and immediate property seizure without due process," rider Bill Thebert said in a letter to the state Attorney General's Office. "They did so with the sole purpose of preventing me from lawfully operating a 100 percent street-legal motorcycle on public ways within Windham County."

Mike Stone, an AMA Congress delegate and vice president of the New England Trail Rider Association, told the AMA that six or seven sheriff's vehicles showed up at the ride's starting area, and the officers began to harass and threaten riders. A police lieutenant on the scene, Stone said, gave a speech to the riders, "telling them that their bikes would be towed and impounded, that they would not be allowed to ride, and that they should leave immediately."

Shocked by what took place, AMA Legislative Affairs Specialist Royce Wood immediately sent a letter to Windham County Sheriff Sheila Prue. In that letter, dated August 18, Wood noted that "many AMA members have cited actions of intimidation by the Sheriff's Department" and asked for an official explanation of the Sheriff's Department's actions.

In a letter to Vermont Attorney General William Sorrell, dated August 25, Wood noted that by stopping the event, "Sheriff Prue stopped licensed motorcyclists from operating licensed and registered motorcycles on public roads."

"How can she do that?" he asked. "Despite our request for additional information, Prue's office has not referred us to any statute or regulation which grants them such authority.

"On behalf of our Vermont members and the riders who were turned away, many of whom traveled from out of state to attend this event, we ask you to determine whether Sheriff Prue's department had the authority to stop these legally licensed riders from using public roads," Wood wrote.

Wood went on to point out that federal law prohibits discrimination against motorcycle travel on public highways. He was referring to federal legislation successfully promoted by the AMA that prohibits states and cities from banning motorcycles from any road built or maintained with federal funds.

The AMA is in close contact with the New England Trail Rider Association on this issue and is working with the local organization to determine what additional steps to take.

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Don't bet for a minute that the "study" conducted by the Forest Service was a representative sampling. They likely polled only hikers and not motorized access users and of course hikers are going to say no motors of any kind. I ride in the forests all the time and I've never been stopped and polled.

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Don't bet for a minute that the "study" conducted by the Forest Service was a representative sampling. They likely polled only hikers and not motorized access users and of course hikers are going to say no motors of any kind. I ride in the forests all the time and I've never been stopped and polled.

Exactly. That's why it's so important to act at the political level. lawmakers read those reports and listen to the screaming property owner that's upset by illegal riders. I tried to get the BLM to extend the comment period on Geothermal Well drilling in Ocotillo and Superstition Mountain riding areas. I wanted to get a couple petitions signed over Thanksgiving and New Years weekends by the hundreds of thousands of users of that area. The BLM said they had notified users about public hearings. I didn't hear a word about the proposal. I found out by accident at a Desert Action Committee meeting.

The BLM said they felt there was no opposition to the drilling from offroaders. I about crapped when the BLM rep told me that. But she was right. We (offroaders) are absent as a voice in our future.

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I like to go to Whole Foods Market in Sebastopol, CA for a sandwich wearing an Off-Road T-shirt - Baja 1000, Wild Boar Enduro, Vegas-Reno, etc - and Birkenstocks. Talk about dirty looks:)

Sebastopol is the one city council to send a resolution to DC condemning the Iraqi War..... It's also a nuclear free and common sense free zone. They also passed an ordinance requiring that you advise your neighbors if you are spraying an herbicide (Round-Up) in your garden.......

Brian

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