Well after looking, calling around, and talking to sales guys at several local dealerships I'm getting alittle discouraged. Everyone is giving me true OTD prices of 8 grand or more, 8600 was the highest so far. But... I did find a great deal on a leftover '05 RMZ450. From what I've been reading on here and hearing from friends is that everyone is really happy with these bikes. Great handling and good smooth roll-on power, which is something that I feel the older YZ450s don't have (this is just my opinion, I never felt comfortable on the ones I rode). They also seem to be fairly reliable. The only issue is that they have a manual cam chain tensioner and you have to keep up on it. I think I'm going get it. Am I crazy!? I guess if I don't like it I can always get another yamaha next year when the prices calm down alittle. But if the thing blows up, I won't be riding any color bike for a while.