Mate, don't go living your life to please everyone else. Take your own footsteps. learn for your self. It is certainly rewarding. I have NEVER said louder is better. I just don't care about noise. I don't have to. I care about power. That is my situation. Don't worry mate, you will be riding a mountain bike soon, the way you make out that a pipe will be the end of the dirtbike. When that day comes, you are quite welcome to come over here with me to ride! A few more riding buddies won't go astray. Just don't bring your attitude, because you won't last long. By the way, my next bike will be a fuel injected, aluminium framed WR450F with most likely a FMF twin muffler system. Those babies are ment to add a crap load of power, be just as silent as a stock mx pipe (which I can see that it is already too loud for you!), and look sensational! I simply love the way you try to put words in peoples mouths Matty. I never once said a stock pipe it too loud for me. I run a white bros E series which is anything but quiet, but it is legal. And btw, how will you keep the Buffalo away when you get you new FMF twin muffler system.