I came here wanting a 510 then soon realized the 450 might be a better choice then still the 250. Big Bob said in another thread- The TE-450 is a dirt bike that is barely street legal, not a dual sport. And it sparked me to post what I decided.. Seems in life there is always a compromise, so I decided to not ride any dual sports which have been in the past too much dirt & paved road with too little trail making a TE610 better suited than my old XR400. I was looking for a bike that would do enduro's, play rides and dual sports like I did with my XR but it's place was play rides which made the other two kinds of ridding not as pleasurable. I thought I might try to make the 450 serve those 3 but realize its not a good idea. Giving up dual sports gives way to focus on enduro and play ridding and thus my decision on the 250. It was great bouncing ideas off of everyone and want to thank you all. I also do realize than any of the TE's would be a pleasure to own.