I love the fact that my friends cannot get the 650r started. It makes me look like a hero to start that pig. I have had a few problems with starting that sucker, but sticking to the correct procedure, its easy. Yes I have flooded it in the middle of the desert, but who cares as I can kick that machine untill it starts. No can do with electric start only. You guys that complain about lack of electric start are too lazy. I let a 60 pound 7 year old cold start my 650r to prove a point. He could not keep it running, but it ran for about 10 secs.