New riding area in SC

Just trying to get a feel for how many riders we've got in the area and what they like.

If there was a riding area in the central SC area, perhaps around Columbia, that was several hundred acres and offered several MX tracks, flat track, bike only trails, quad and bike mixed trails, camping, concessions, pro shop, service and repair shop, etc, would you patronize it?

If so, what do you think an acceptable admission fee would be?

What would you like to see at this type of facility?

What would you not like to see?

I know some people that have asked me what I thought of the idea and I told them I would ask around to take the temperature of the people in the Southeast to see if there was interest in a park in that area.

Any input is welcome and appreciated.

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If so, what do you think an acceptable admission fee would be?

What would you like to see at this type of facility?

What would you not like to see?

$15-30 depending on amenities.

Hot showers, good food, pool would be nice, some mud for bikes.

Irresponsible quad riders, responsible ones are fine with me.

The two places I frequent most have all I could ask for in the way of amenities, reasonable fees and trail/track diversity and that's Brushy Mtn. and Durhamtown.

More privately owned places like this would be better since I always feel our liberties on public land are tenative at best. And with the substantial growth our sport has enjoyed recently and the success of places like Bmmspark and DP I think we will see a lot more riding areas being developed, Highland Park and the upcoming Carolina Adventure World to name a couple.

Is there talk of another one coming to the Columbia area Spode or are you referencing CAW?

Hey GD.

Is there talk of another one coming to the Columbia area Spode or are you referencing CAW?

Another, smaller area closer to Columbia.

CAW is a done deal. He should be opening in July. That place will be huge and have a lot of features. No idea what the admission is supposed to be, but there is talk of a lodge, steak house, rental cabins, golf course and on and on. He's got 2500-2600 acres to work with.

These are some people that are testing the waters to see if a smaller, family friendly facility close to an interstate in the middle of SC is feasible. Maybe like a smaller DP with some added or different features. I told them I'd try to get some feedback from the forums and let them know how it was received.

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Sounds like something similar to TNT, which is also near the area you're speaking of. All I ride is trails, with my kids.

Cost: I have yet to pay more than $10 to ride somewhere. Call me cheap, but it adds up REALLY quick when you have to pay for 2 or 3 admissions. I know Brushy is more, and I'll go there someday, but not as often as others.

Annemities: good bathrooms and a concessions w/ drinks, dogs, snacks, etc. is good for me. A bike wash is always a bonus.

As long as there are plenty of one-way bike only trails, or at least no 4x4 quads on them I'd be happy.

It would be nice to have one in a sandy area too. Might be less expensive to maintain. You'd have to groom the whoops, but you wouldn't have so many erosion issues to deal with.

As long as there are plenty of one-way bike only trails, or at least no 4x4 quads on them I'd be happy.

I second that!

All I ride is trails, with my kids.

Cost: I have yet to pay more than $10 to ride somewhere. Call me cheap, but it adds up REALLY quick when you have to pay for 2 or 3 admissions. I know Brushy is more, and I'll go there someday, but not as often as others.

Annemities: good bathrooms and a concessions w/ drinks, dogs, snacks, etc. is good for me. A bike wash is always a bonus.

As long as there are plenty of one-way bike only trails, or at least no 4x4 quads on them I'd be happy.

My thoughts exactly. :thumbsup:

I have been to Brushy Mt. a lot and I like it more every time that I go. But, if it was not 45 min. from my house then I would not want to travel a long distance and pay $20 / day to ride.

Also, a family type atmosphere with "common sense" rules and regulations is always nice.

If its going to be anything like TNT it would be a regular stop for my family. Seeing we are military living in the Sumter area it would be real close to home. We are into trail riding, 2 bikes and 3 ATV's. We ride as a family and would love nothing better than to make a weekend of it and camp on site and ride all day. One thing I would consider is changing of clothes. We have been to several places and found folks getting changed out their riding gear (neked) infront of my young daughters, if your a parent I am sure you could understand the concern.

Could be good but why a Pro shop, flat track, several MX, and repair. Sounds more like some one is wanting to open a retail business with a staff of five are more. Even Golfer don't use a Course's Pro Shop much unless they forgot something.

Start with just trails like Enoree and forget the other BS......if you build it they will come....

This is South Carolina, dirt bike riding is not a big thing anymore, just look at what the dealers are selling, quads (mostly for hunters) and butt boats.

Trust me.....there is no Golf Course going to be built around CAW...may be a PutPut are Par 3.

It takes 4 to 6 million to build a cheep decent Golf Course, two around Columbia have went belly up.

Could be good but why a Pro shop, flat track, several MX, and repair. Sounds more like some one is wanting to open a retail business with a staff of five are more. Even Golfer don't use a Course's Pro Shop much unless they forgot something.

They referred to it as a "Pro Shop". I believe what they have in mind is a parts and accessories shop with possibly a service area to install/repair as needed. This would be to take care of any potential needs of a rider that has worn out or broken items and would otherwise have to go home and lose their riding time. I think they would also have apparel available.

Sort of like what DP has.

I believe TNT also has parts available.

As far as the tracks, they have apparently received a lot of interest in having those type of facilities available and they are much lower maintenance than trails. The tracks are also a very big draw at other OHV parks.

Something for everyone! :thumbsup:

Why do you see this as a negative?

This is South Carolina, dirt bike riding is not a big thing anymore, just look at what the dealers are selling, quads (mostly for hunters) and butt boats.

They believe this is a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are very few riding areas in the state and the ones that do exist are usually over used and in poor condition. This doesn't create much demand for the product. Also, there are relatively few dealers that do a lot of promotion for dirt products, especially in the midlands area.

Start with just trails like Enoree and forget the other BS......if you build it they will come....

That's what they're hoping, and it will help the previously mentioned situation.

Trust me.....there is no Golf Course going to be built around CAW...may be a PutPut are Par 3.

It takes 4 to 6 million to build a cheep decent Golf Course, two around Columbia have went belly up.

I'm just repeating conversations I had with the owner. I can only tell y'all what he told me.

Thanks for the input, this is what they were hoping for! :thumbsup:

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I like the oneway trails, MX tracks are OK but I too old for the big jumps, Pro Shop or repair shop would be good. FOOD! definately food. Clean Bathrooms, and wash area for bike. I probally wouldn't camp unless I was coming from a long distance. I would start with the basics and see how that goes before sinking a bunch of money into it and never getting it back. Price. I would pay $15 -$20 bucks if it was worth it.

This is South Carolina, dirt bike riding is not a big thing anymore, just look at what the dealers are selling, quads (mostly for hunters) and butt boats.

:thumbsup: There isnt' a day goes by I don't see a bike in the back of somebody's truck up my way :thumbsup:

Yes

1. One way trails. I'm prejudiced towards bike only but don't think the owners could make a go of it without quad revenue. If we have to share the trails with quads at least put in some single track trail or some loops off the main trail that are one way single track. If the terrain is like Enoree you can share the trail if you have to. If the terrain is like Manchester, I would need to see some single track or wait until I can get a weekend to go to NC.

2. Restrooms

3. Water supply

4. Someone to escort pit racers out the gate.

5. 96db limit on the trails, requiring spark arrestors. I know it's private land but somebody lives within earshot and we need to be realistic about the excess noise and it's impact on riding opportunities.

Maybe

1. Bike wash. Not a deal breaker either way.

2. Showers, nothing fancy.

No

1. Pro Shop: More overhead and operating cost for the owner to cover, and when sales fall short the difference will be made up in trail/track fees, or worse runs the place completely out of business. Would not shop there unless I broke unloading. If I forget my helmet I'm going back home.

2. Restaurant/snack bar: See above. When I go somewhere that has one I sometimes make a token purchase to be polite. I appreciate the effort but can do without it.

I would do the same as Brushy except more tracks. 1 pro,1 intermidiate,1 quad track.Then you have something for everyone.Definitly food sodas easy money,showers would be good.Charge 15.00 to 20.00 depending on what you have.Plus Carry the basics tubes,tires,plugs,etc

One clarification: Their intent is to have some bike-only single track and some trail that is shared by bikes and quads.

I wouldn't worry too much about additional conveniences adding to the gate fee. They may be planning on leasing left over building space, but I don't know their exact business plan. Actually, I'd be surprised if it was firmed up at this point!

I still think the biggest hurdle to overcome in that area is zoning restrictions.

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I would think that all the frills people here are saying they can do without like a short-order restaurant and proshop would help suppliment the owners income and therefor make it more likely to be a success. :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: There isnt' a day goes by I don't see a bike in the back of somebody's truck up my way :bonk:

Same thing here. :thumbsup:

considering brushy and durhamtown are both $20-25 a day ,i'd happily pay that if the riding was comparable,of course you can't beat brown at $5 a day or i-81 at $10 a day.we all live in asheville and would love to find a place that was rocky,rooty and tight tech. true single track like some of the int.trails at brown.

Although new to riding I would definently support something closer to Columbia. I've been riding Enoree, Sumter and I'm off to TNT for my first ride tomorrow. Would love an opportunity in the summer months to be able to head to a track for a few hours after work.

Having amenties such as nice bathrooms, snacks, bike wash and good loading and off loading areas are a plus. I think the cost of $10-20 day is appropriate however a yearly membership fee with no daily cost would be really appealing.

My 2 cents worth......

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