Have any of you guys that have lifted the bars more than 1 1/2" needed I can't remember hte exact numbers on my total rise over OEM, but it came up somewhere around 3 or 4 inches IIRC. I did wind up having to go with longer throttle cables, and then later went with an Edlebrock which has longer cables that come with the carb. edit: I also went with longer clutch cable, but that wasn't a good idea. It wound up breaking on me in Baja when trying to leave the El Coyote ranch and the group was delayed because of it But Irondude/MikeKay was good enough to give me his spare OEM cable and showed me the correct routing to make it work. thanks again mike edit again: here are some pics compairing OEM height w/ the current setup: http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/motorcycle%20pics/830fc00f.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/motorcycle%20pics/3840bdfe.jpg http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a303/Sup1661/Work%20Safe/motorcycle%20pics/15e9c9a1.jpg the pic with the OEM top clamp is w/ a set of Renthal Jimmy Button High's which if I remember correctly are the tallest 7/8 bars that Renthal makes.