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Anyone busted up a shoulder yet? If so, how long did it take you to heal up?

I'm kinda pissed. A rookie rider and a kid were down at teh bottom of a blind jump Hangtown,CA. Kid was down and shouldn't have been on the track except during the "small" bike session and theother guy just sitting there1. Like usual, I'm balls 2 wall and when I come down, (its a left turn jump), so pitched to right, right side of engine plows the back of another bikes exhaust.

Is it just me or is it stupid to sit at the bottom of a jump without first waving traffic down??????? Then this jackazz thinks he was in the right on the track.

I don't think there is a "right" on a race track. Everyone riding hard, s*** happens. Anyway offered to pay half this guys muffler, but still don't think he had business on the track or sitting at bottom of a jump. He kind of laughed and said that was his first day there and doesn't ride there. Man, I'm busted up and not happy w/this.

Anyway, who has had luck w/shoulder repairs and how muchtime dare I ask?

The crackd rib and bruises I can deal with.

I love riding mx and can't wait to get back.

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A friend on mine that i go to school with was in a crash at Hangtown recently. He ended up in the hosital, as most people. He was on an 06 Kawi 250f. Thing is, he goes there all the time, not a first timer in racing that track.

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My buddy broke his shoulder blade in 14 places...Like spider cracks...That took quite awhile I must say, somehweres around 10 weeks...I've broken my shoulder on the socket and that didn't feel that well...My doctor gave me 7 weeks

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I was pitched over the bars and landed on my left shoulder in may 06 and it hasn't gone completely away yet :ride: . In fact i aggravated it again lifting at work. I don't know for sure but I haven't felt 100% since may. :thumbsup:

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I had a bankart(sp)(more than orthoscopic, your left with a 3-4" scar) surgery on a multiple (15+) seperated shoulder. was out for 4 months. full movement after 6, full strength was almost a year. my shoulder was JUNK though, I could blow it out with a sneeze or a yawn, but also put it back in ALMOST as easily(got to the point where it didn't even hurt anymore) If you get it repaired with orthoscopic before it gets this bad I was told 8-10 weeks. If its your first time seperating it, make sure when you do go back that its fully healed and strong. after 2 or 3 they get easier and easier to seperate and some kind of surgery is almost definate.

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oh yeah aside from the long recovery time, I have never had a problem with the repaired shoulder (its been 4 yrs) its stronger than my "good" shoulder( only 3 seperations on that one)

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A second degree shoulder seperation can be treated with ice, exercise and return to riding by the next weekend.

If the shoulder was a walking joint, I would tell you to just walk it off.

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thanks for the responses guys. the stronger than original comment is promising. thats what I would like to happen. to be honest, i hope just to be able to get back to weight training.

drmark,

This is labeled a 2nd deg, but after 7 days, the bone is not staying in place. Honestly, I don't think ACL is connected at all. I seem to have a good range of motion, though sore, but when i try moving my arm, the clavicle moves up at the distal end. I tried physical therapy last Thu but the PT stopped because my bone was moving up and out when we rotated my arm. I know that a 3rd deg is labeled by the coracoclavicular ligament also ripped, but what do I do about this floating bone? Is it going to scar itself back in place?

If misdiagnosed and really a 3rd degree, now what? What if no cc ligament? Can this be fixed?

Also, I previously worked out w/weights 8 hours a week. Have pretty strong deltoids. When I try and flex the injured deltoid, I don't seem to get muscle flex from the anterior deltoid. As I understand, the distal 3rd of the clavicle is the anterior deltoid's origin. Think the muscle could have torn loose? If so, is this fixable?

During the initial injury, the bone was just about completely out of place. I had to push it back in because it felt as if it was stretching my skin and pulling against something, ligament I guess. Of course, by the time I got to the ER, they xrayed my injury after I reduced it.

What should I ask my Dr about the deltoid problem and should I ask him to confirm existance of the CC ligament? I feel like the PA I saw half stepped the diagnosis. She took one look at the x-ray and no other relevant questions. The xray indicated a certain degree of separation, but I sort of "reduced" the separation because it felt as if something was being stretched in my shoulder.

Anyway, not looking for absolution in your response and I don't hold you for any of your answers. Right now, its nice to have help from someone knowledgable on the subject.

I am far from in riding shape right now. Please take a shot at answering about the CC ligament and Deltoid, I am very interested. Also, I'm confused as it seems a 2nd degree injury like this is basically a couple weeks and a bump left on the arm, but yet somehow it seems much worse. I couldn't ride right now if I wanted to.

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What I have told you is based on the assoumption that you have a second degee seperation, rather than a higher grade problem. Your complaints seem to imply a higher grade lesion.

Can you post a copy of your X-ray? The original one before any attempts at reduction was done.

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no before xray avail. This was taken about 1 hour after impact.

Also, do you recommend surgery on such injuries and which type if so?

I can possibly see how this joint will be strong enough for weight lifting, bench pressing, etc, if the bone isn't somewhat aligned when it heals. Am I wrong about this?

Any advances in the way of ligament replacement in medicine yet?

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That's exactly like Jeff Dement's injury It needs to be fixed. After we did Jeff's he missed two weekends of Supercross. Civilians don't do any worse. The repair is a direct repair with heavy fiberwire sutures. It is immediately stable enough to return to activities without immobilization.

Buy a SWA ticket to Houston and you can return home in two days.

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I've had a torn labrum in both shoulders – not motorcycle related. The labrum is a cartilage socket that holds the humerus (upper arm bone) in place. Both my labrum tears weren’t painful when they happened – there are no nerves in the cartilage. My shoulder used to pop out of the socket pretty easily, but I could put back by moving it a certain way. They both took about six months after surgery to get better. I still had a little soreness after six months, and that went away after about a year.

X-rays did not show either of the labrum tears. They only showed up on an MRI.

I dislocated my left shoulder last February. This one was motorcycle related. I was able to put back in place myself. The X-rays didn’t show any damage, but the MRI showed that I had a partial tear of a tendon – I don’t know which one. The treatment was to keep it immobilized for 6 weeks followed by physical therapy. I'ts still a little tender, but it's only been six months.

A few years ago – in 1990 – I injured my knee. X-rays were negative. I lived in a small town at the time. I went to three different doctors. They all wanted me to take Ibuprofen and come back in a month. Needless to say, I didn’t bother going back to them. I found a doctor in nearby San Diego. Luckily for me, he was the Chargers team physician at the time. He was able to diagnose my injury just by bending my knee around. He also fixed it with surgery. Unfortunately, he’s retired now. The point I’m trying to make is: Run away from doctors who want to give you a prescription drug for a broken body part.

If you’re anywhere close to San Diego, the doctor who treated all my shoulder injuries is:

Thomas Harris MD

Shoulder Knee Institute

3444 Kearny Villa Rd # 202

San Diego, CA

Phone: (858) 874-3444

I know other people from work who have gone to him as well. (There are a lot of injuries in my job.) He’s a good surgeon with many years of experience. He wants to get you well again. He doesn’t want to keep you coming back for a steady stream of office visits.

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undefined Dr. Sanders is correct, if I were you I would book a flight and see him ASAP. My son crushed his tibia in May and after seeing several specialists in the Sacramento area I was totally disgusted with their lack of knowledge and concern. I contacted Dr. Sanders, he told me what he would do to fix my son's ankle by just looking at his X-ray. When we arrived in Houston Dr. Sanders met with us and scheduled the surgery the same day. My son ended up getting an osteotomy and spent three days in the hospital. Dr Sanders and his staff were very professional. It is very important to have a doctor that has treated the same type of injury and who understands motocross riders. Dr. Sanders also gave us his personal cell number and if he didn't answer the phone he called back within two hours. Now try and get any doctor to call you back, I have never seen that before! Even his fitness trainer Ed gave us his phone number and answered any questions that we had.

So I say to anyone that needs an Orthopaedic surgeon call Dr. Sanders. I would be glad to answer any questions to anyone about him. :thumbsup:

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lawman,

I'm in SAC and I"m finding the same thing. A bunch of "specialists" who don't seem to want to excel in their field of medicine. I think its terrible.

I got more at the ER than my Ortho dr or should I say p.a. That sucks.

I don't think enough diagnostics were done and they really didn't seem to have that spirited, "get down to the problem" attitude I was looking for. Even if I never heal, I think its reasonable to expect a professional to tell me exactly whats wrong. I already know a bone is protruding, it didn't take much expertise to figure that one out.

Anyway, thanks for reporting your experiences.

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