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Can anyone help me out to find 2 good motocross tracks in lower eastern PA besides Rausch Creek, was going to go to NJ but everyone who responded to my TT question about rididng areas in NJ says NJ sucks. Coming up from Baltimore

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Evansville raceway is nice.Its in Berwick PA www . evansvilleraceway . com

Rocket Raceway

Doublin Gap

BTW Rausch creek sucks.The only day to go up is tuesday as they groom the tracks on monday.Even then it still sucks.

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They only groom once a week!!!! For the cost to ride there, it should be groomed and watered every day they are are willing to take your money.

What a bunch of CHEESE BALLS!

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You'd think they did water/groom every day on some of them.

THey are soooo busy maintaining the tracks.

I ALWAYS see new stuff. While new stuff is nice, it's not a substitute for maintenance.

I REALLY wish they would STOP ALL RIDING on a track for 45 minutes on SATURDAY AROUND 3:30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Groom and water, and then let us back on it. That is VERY doable.

THey would also find, that by grooming more often, the dirt will stay softer, and take water better.

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btmfla are you looking for races or just practice? Budds Creek races almost every Sunday but never opened for practice. Happy Ramblers in Hanover Pa holds a lot of races but not open for public practice. Blue Diamond in Delaware is not far from Baltimore and open for public practice weekdays and races some weekends. Mountaineer and Tomahawk in WV also not far from Baltimore, open weekdays for practice, race some weekends.

http://www.buddscreek.com/

http://www.bluediamondpark.com/

http://www.happyramblers.com/

http://www.mountaineerraceway.com/

http://www.tomahawkmx.com/

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SE - FOUR HOURS????????????

What the heck do you guys do?! You should be able to groom that track in less than an hour!!

I'm being serious here - what do you guys do to it that takes 4 hours?

I mean, this could seriously be something we need to find out - perhaps you guys are spending wayyyyy too much time on stuff that doesnt' need done - and you guys could get it done alot quicker, which would allow a riding stoppage!

I'm dead serious - I've been to enough tracks, here and in California, to know you guys should be able to groom those tracks in about 45 minutes each, on a slow day when the vehicle runs out of gas.

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Happy Ramblers in Hanover Pa holds a lot of races but not open for public practice.

http://www.happyramblers.com/

This year, Happy Ramblers has open practice for anyone the Saturday before every race :thumbsup: You might need an AMA card, not sure.

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4 hours to GROOM at track? thats just dumb. what do you do? tear it down and start over? doesnt seem like other tracks have that much of a problem. Sleepy Hollow grooms the track in about 20-30 minutes inbetween sets of motos and the track stays in great condition. :thumbsup:

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I know Mark out at Rocket can completely groom and water his 1.3 mile MX track in under 30 minutes.

ELsinore in California - they have simmilar dirt to Rausch, and their track was the same. Hard, dusty, silty, and slick as ice when watered....and apparently they have changed their grooming techniques - because the pictures I"m seeing out of there are NOTHING like when I was out there....

I do know I've seen grooming at Rausch before, and what they were doing was a waste of time. I will elaborate if we hear back on what they do....because notice one thing ever about Rausch, the dirt always looks packed - even after grooming.....I think that is where their large time chunk is.

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No way one can groom and water a track in 30 minute's!!. If it's dry out it takes me 5 hr's to get enough water down and approx. 40-60,000 gallon's of water. 30 minute's no way. Now if it's already wet and dry's out and then you just need a misting of water then yes a quick 15-30 minute's will do but for 80-90 degree sunny out impossible. For me at least.

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Dude, in 5 hours, your water has evaporated.

I'm not saying it's easy, but I'm sorry, 4 hours is way too long.

I'm not criticizing, I'm seriously trying to find out WHY it takes that long.

I also know for a FACT, that I've seen tracks as big as Rausch's, done by one man on a tractor, in 30-45 minutes.

When it's groomed, it's nice, I'm not saying it isn't, but I just think you guys are doing TOO MUCH work in it - making it harder on yourselves than is necessary.

Case and point - a while back, I was riding on the main track. There was some guy on a ripper. The jump just before the whoops on the main MX track - the old triple - he was tearing it up after the jump, before the corner. I was cutting the track to go around. After less than 10 minutes, it looked nice and loamy and all dug up nice! Lo-and-behold - two laps later, the DOZER was out there, BLADE DOWN, flattening the loam out and packing it down smooth.

WHY? YOu smoothed the track out nice, sure, but just made the track hardpack and not take water again, and wasted alot of extra time.

Notice the tracks at Rausch are NEVER EVER LOAMY? What I'm trying to say, is that you guys may groom it nice, but then pack it back down with the dozer! THAT IS TAKING TWICE AS LONG!!!! Leave it ripped up, then hit it with a disc if nothing else. I guarantee, if you mixed in some wood chips, mushroom soil, or something, and ripped and disced the track - it would -

1) Take water alot better

2) Require less frequent waterings

3) INcrease traction for riders

4) Create alot of berms and ruts

5) Cause some rocks to come up, which could then be removed.

Can you honestly tell us that you guys to NOT use a dozer blade to flatten out the tracks again? On the faces, thats great! On the landings, GREAT! On corners, BAD, on flats, bad!

I'm trying to HELP, not just criticize!!!

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To do a track properly a know for a fact as I do it for 2 track's that I own it takes hours and hours to get a track moist enough to get rut's like this

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000019.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000016.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000013.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000021.html

Yes one can fly around and get the top wet but to get the ground saturated deep thus making it possible to get deep rut's, braking bump's etc... it def. take's more time than you are describing. I know when it's 80 plus and dry out at my one track we will water every night to ensure that the water get's deep and has time to soak in. A track is like the human body as it need's a drink daily and trust me with my sprinkler system the track can take water 4-5 hrs straight and then it has to sit to soak in if you want it done correctly. What do you think Steel City/High Point etc.. do for the national's? When dry they water, disc, water, disc, water, disc, water, disc to get the water deep making it last and then the track get's rough. It's no different at my track's 90% of the time. Occasionally at my one track when I don't have enough time it will get hard pack/dry and that's when I only have a few hours to get it ready as I can suck my pond's dry in a 4 wk dry spell. I will say it again no way can 1 person properly groom and water a track in 30-40 minutes. Heck I have one of the biggest tractors around and it take's me at least 1 hr to tear up /plow my track and that's with a 200hp 4wd tractor on a 1.25 mile track. Can one wet the top in a short time yes but is the track going to get rutted up NOPE not unless mother nature helped you out with rain as no one can replace mother nature for the best watering.

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4 hours to GROOM at track? thats just dumb. what do you do? tear it down and start over? doesnt seem like other tracks have that much of a problem. Sleepy Hollow grooms the track in about 20-30 minutes inbetween sets of motos and the track stays in great condition. :applause:

DUMB! your comment is dumb/ingnorant. Go ask Sleepy hollow how long it took them to get the track ready for the first set of moto's. :applause: Once the track is moist then yes it can be done fast but getting it groomed/watered the first time is the hard part and time consuming part. :thumbsup:

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To do a track properly a know for a fact as I do it for 2 track's that I own it takes hours and hours to get a track moist enough to get rut's like this

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000019.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000016.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000013.html

http://www.highvoltagemxpark.com/log/archives/00000021.html

Yes one can fly around and get the top wet but to get the ground saturated deep thus making it possible to get deep rut's, braking bump's etc... it def. take's more time than you are describing. I know when it's 80 plus and dry out at my one track we will water every night to ensure that the water get's deep and has time to soak in. A track is like the human body as it need's a drink daily and trust me with my sprinkler system the track can take water 4-5 hrs straight and then it has to sit to soak in if you want it done correctly. What do you think Steel City/High Point etc.. do for the national's? When dry they water, disc, water, disc, water, disc, water, disc to get the water deep making it last and then the track get's rough. It's no different at my track's 90% of the time. Occasionally at my one track when I don't have enough time it will get hard pack/dry and that's when I only have a few hours to get it ready as I can suck my pond's dry in a 4 wk dry spell. I will say it again no way can 1 person properly groom and water a track in 30-40 minutes. Heck I have one of the biggest tractors around and it take's me at least 1 hr to tear up /plow my track and that's with a 200hp 4wd tractor on a 1.25 mile track. Can one wet the top in a short time yes but is the track going to get rutted up NOPE not unless mother nature helped you out with rain as no one can replace mother nature for the best watering.

ok yes you are right it may take a good few hours but if you keep the track soft and moist often. then when you do groom,it should only take you about an hour. When you groom it once a week and have riders their about everyday it will get very hard and make it even harder to groom the following week.

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No way one can groom and water a track in 30 minute's!!. If it's dry out it takes me 5 hr's to get enough water down and approx. 40-60,000 gallon's of water. 30 minute's no way. Now if it's already wet and dry's out and then you just need a misting of water then yes a quick 15-30 minute's will do but for 80-90 degree sunny out impossible. For me at least.

Your right no ONE can groom and water for racing in 30 minutes. The 30 minute groom and water is handled by several people running two pieces of heavy equipment and one or two water trucks running at the same time. This is done after the first set of motos. For race prep from scratch Mark spends many hours on the track discing, tilling and laying down tank after tank of water. So your both correct in your own sense.............I know this, since I was at every race Mark held before I moved to AZ this spring.

Bill

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And the other thing, we're not talking about grooming to get a pristine, nice, deep loamy track that is perfect.

Just not a concrete surface, where the only thing done on it during the day is dump water on it!

Water on concrete does NOT work well!

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