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Here's the dilema. I've been riding on township property for a while now. It's a small strip of woods next to a small pond, at the fornt of my neighborhood. No one has complained untill today. He told me if I rode there again he would call the police. He didn't complain about noise but about soil erosion, and how I was killing the tree by exposing the roots.:thumbsup: This is guy is a tree hugger, seriously. Before i used this small trail for ptibikes we used it to make bmx jumps. He would come and destroy them.

Any ways, I need to find out more about state and township rules concering whether or not i'm allowed there. Or maybe if i'm allowed to get permission from the township to ride there.

Any one have ideas or familiar with lad usage issues in NJ?

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The ONLY way you can ride there legally is with written permission from the owner of the property. I fact in most towns, you could be subject up to a $1000 fine for being there, impoundment of your motorcycle, which you would have to show proof of registration and insurance to have it released, towing and storage charges. If you have an untitleable and unregistrable motorcycle, you could lose your motorcycle due to the fact you can not produce the proper ducumentation to have it released from impound. So it in turn could be sold at auction from under you. If you are in an area that is under protection of the NJ Pinelands, you could also be required to pay to restore the area back to its natural state, alittle far featched but possible.

NJ Dep ORV Policy (copied form thier website..)

The increasing popularity of off-road vehicles (ORVs) in New Jersey has presented challenges for the management of public lands and the protection of natural resources. As ORV ownership has increased in New Jersey and neighboring states over the past several years, there has been a marked increase in the unlawful use of these vehicles on public lands. This unlawful usage has caused extensive damage to sensitive natural areas with no provision for restoration; has diminished the use and enjoyment of our public lands and other natural areas by other user groups; has diverted resources from other resource protection priorities; and has created serious risks to ORV users, to the public in general, and to law enforcement personnel in particular.

The policy directive issued today is intended to comprehensively address the unlawful use of ORVs, identify the circumstances in which ORV activity may be authorized, and circumscribe lawful ORV use so that adverse impacts to New Jersey's environment and natural resources will be avoided. The directive applies to all lands owned, managed, held in trust or otherwise regulated by the Department.

Background

The term "off road vehicle" refers to a broad array of vehicles now in use by the public:

Any motorized vehicle with two or more wheels or tracks that is capable of being operated off of regularly improved and maintained roads shall be classified as an ORV. This includes all pickup trucks, sport utility vehicles, motor cycles, dirt bikes, all terrain vehicles and snowmobiles.

Class I ORVs include all vehicles that are licensed, registered, insured and inspected as required to legally operate on any road or highway of the State designated for vehicle traffic.

Class II ORVs includes any vehicle lacking one or more of the criteria needed for operation on any road or highway designated for vehicle traffic. Class II ORVs may be operated on public lands only with a special permit or on private property with the permission of the landowner.

Policy

The use of ORVs shall be prohibited on lands owned, managed, maintained or under the jurisdiction of the Department, including any and all lands held jointly with any other party ("public lands"). There are certain limited exceptions to this general policy. On public lands, Class I ORVs shall only be operated on highways and roads, and only if in addition, the ORV is operated in accordance with Title 39 and the highway or road is designed and marked by the State for such operation. On public lands, Class II ORVs shall only be operated in areas designated and marked by the State for such operation and with a special use permit issued by the Department of Environmental Protection.

Currently Authorized Uses

ORV uses that have been specifically authorized or permitted under current law shall be maintained, except that the conditions of use shall be reviewed and, where appropriate, shall be modified to conform to the requirements of this policy.

Applicants for special use permits or other authorization for ORV activities on public lands shall present satisfactory documentation to the official responsible for the permit that all participants have had training in safe and appropriate ORV use.

Where Federal or municipal resource managers, or private landowners, restrict ORV use in areas adjacent to lands or other resources managed, controlled, or regulated by the Department, DEP shall implement complementary and consistent restrictions

New ORV Uses

Applications for new or expanded areas for authorized ORV use shall be approved only where:

No adverse impacts to the environment or natural resources would result from the proposed use;

The proposed ORV use would not compromise safety;

The proposed ORV use would not interfere with use or enjoyment of natural resources by other user groups or affected local communities;

The applicant presents satisfactory documentation to the official responsible for the permit that all participants will have had training in safe and appropriate ORV use;

The application for the new or expanded use is supported by an environmental review or assessment sufficient for DEP to conclude that the requirements of this policy have been met;

Adequate provision is made for restoration resulting from unanticipated damage to natural resources as a result of the use.

The Department's Division of Natural and Historic Resources shall work to develop appropriate recreational areas for lawful ORV users that meet the requirements of the preceding paragraph, with the goal of having two new such facilities in operation by 2005. The New Jersey Trails Council shall participate in this effort by establishing an ORV subcommittee representing a cross-section of interested environmental, recreational, ORV industry and ORV user groups. No current state park, wildlife management area or other environmentally sensitive area will be considered in this review and selection process

Enforcement

Pursuant to current authority, DEP personnel shall enforce ORV regulations as follows:

Pursuant to NJSA 13:1L-23, violators shall be assessed the maximum fine of $1000 for offenses at State Parks and Forests, which may be reduced only where

a first-time violator establishes that no adverse impacts to natural resources or public safety resulted form the violation; or

there are other extraordinary circumstances and a lesser penalty is authorized in writing by the Assistant Commissioner for Natural and Historic Resources.

Pursuant to NJSA 23:7-9, DEP shall reasonably assess damage to State property in Wildlife Management Areas, including damage to natural resources, and shall impose a treble damage fine when damages (as measured by the cost of restoration) exceed $100.

Pursuant to NJAC 23:7-9, all ORV violations in Wildlife Management Areas shall be assessed the maximum fine of $200.

The Division of Natural and Historic resources shall develop a damages table that will allow for expedited calculation of natural resource damage of the types typical of unlawful ORV use.

The Commissioner of the Department of Environmental Protection and the Commissioner of the Department of Transportation, working in concert with the "Fix DMV Commission," shall develop appropriate legislation to:

Increase penalty provisions and authorize impoundment of ORVs for unlawful ORV use; and

Establish comprehensive registration, licensing, and insurance requirements for ORVs

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Well, everything JD said applies if you are riding on DEP-enforced property. If you are then I wouldn't ride there anymore. I agree that the only way to cover your butt is to get permission to ride there from the property owner - in this case you would have to ask the town. The downside to that is if the town says no, you've now exposed yourself and have been warned. You might lose your riding spot but it's better than losing your bike. It's really a double-edged sword for you. I highly doubt that any town would flat out tell you it's okay to ride on public property. You might be better off riding there until the police come and tell you that you can't ride there anymore. Then you politely thank them and promise not to do it again. But, you never know how some police might react. You get the wrong cop who doesn't want to give you a second chance and there goes your bike. Good luck in whatever you do. Just use your head.

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you cant ride there unless you have the okay too

im guessing you've been making a ruckus with your friends on your 50s everyday..

i had a problem like this at my riding area, i realized that if i only rode there maybe twice a week at good times (when people weren't home) then there wouldnt be anyone to complain.

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Get a few bags of topsoil and some grass seed and fill in the hole. Just take it easy going over tree roots. If you want to ride on illegal land you have to be smart. If the land is the same after you ride as before you ride, no one will know you were there. Keep it quiet and tread lightly.

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... Keep it quiet and tread lightly...

For those of you who don't know, RedRida110 is a very big proponent of keeping it quiet. He is currently running a one-off, works-style Stealth-type exhaust system on his 450SX. It is currently being developed by KTM for the Austrian army, for undetected night riding.

Below are 2 photos, one of the pipe on the bike, the other, the pipe itself.

camoKTM450.jpg

Just about 100% undetectable... :thumbsup:

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For those of you who don't know, RedRida110 is a very big proponent of keeping it quiet. He is currently running a one-off, works-style Stealth-type exhaust system on his 450SX. It is currently being developed by KTM for the Austrian army, for undetected night riding.

Damn. The secret is out. They should be beating down my doors any second to take me back to the motherland. :thumbsup:

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The only way to make the tree hugger happy is to sell your bike.

Throw a brick through his front window.

Or ignore the pest and ride for a little while and leave.

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Maybe We Should Sell Our Bikes And Our Kids Bikes And We Could Let Them Hang Out On Street Corners And Drink And Use Drugs. Better Yet, Just Hang Out In Front Of The Persons House Who Complains About Riding Dirtbikes. Maybe They Like Everyone To Hang On Street Corners And Get Into Trouble Instead Of Using The Time Wisely By Riding And Working On Our Bikes. I Know The Feeling I Live Right Where I Rode For 30 Years In My Town. Now It Is Someday Going To Be A Golf Course And About 1500 Luxury Apartments, Lucky Me!

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Well i'm screwed. Talk to the person in charge of zoning today. No can do, even with waivers and all that other bs, it's an absolute no.

It was fun while it lasted.

Thanks for the post though Joedints.

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Wasn't trying to rain on your parade.... Just getting you some facts...

Some towns that are not part of the pinelands, or not fully within the pinelands are now passing laws that mirror the DEP regulations. Monroe Twp near Buena, Woodland Twp (Chatsworth) and Plumbsted township are a few.

So even thou these lands there are not controlled by the DEP, the laws are the same. More towns are to follow... A group called the PPA, Pinelands Preservation Alliance is spearheading this anti ORV legislation...

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