I'm quite good with the cipherin! LOL Difference is that I race all year long, every year and plan on keeping at it till my body won't let me, thats gonna be a while. GET TO KNOW YOUR DEALER! They are humans if they are race friendly you'll likely never know a better friend to have in your corner. I've done the math I'm way better off knowing the people I know and yeah they do have to pay their mortage thats what humans do. I'll try to keep this from being Pro-cycle specific BUT thay are an absolutely perfect example of this type of thing. How much do they help the racing scene in your area? I KNOW how much they help in their area. When was the last time you drove 10 hours to borrow a kick starter bolt or something of the like off a showroom machine that your "cheap deal" dealer had? When was the last time they're parts manager went trail riding with you and brought along a sack of parts that were charged to your account which BTW is likely to be several months behind if you have like me just plain forgot about sending in your YZ bucks to them? Oh there's another point how much is your down the road dealer gonna help you out with your YZ bucks when he or she knows you drove 10 hours to save a K on an auction bike that he doesn't even feel right about selling off his or her floor? I THINK a little farther down the road than some folks I guess. Money is money but think where your gonna be spending it in a few weeks or months or god forbid YEARS down the road. if you want ALL dealers to be more like this one particular example then well I am damn scared how many more are out there just like you and the future starts looking pretty bleak. I just see if through different eyes than you KTMKarl. My local dealer sucks and I will order all my parts mail order like I have for years now. If I need a kick starter bolt then I will order it unless I see your bike parked somewhere. Plus, I don't plan on having to buy any parts for a while that's why I bought a Yamaha!