First want to say thanks to all you guys for the great info you so freely share. I've just come back to the two wheel world after a 20 yr hiatus. Been playing with quads the last 14 yrs and am just plain bored with them. Went out and bought myself an 05 wr450 in new condition and have been spending sheckels like crazy trying to get it set up for me. I'm currently working on the ergonomics, the problem right now is handle bar heigth. The piece of info that I need is what comes stock? I.E. Rise and bend? If I could find the stock #'s I could go from there. The problem is when I stand. These bars put me in a hunched stance, or leaned forward with my lower back bent. Makes me kinda have to look up thru my visor. Broke my neck here about 8 yrs ago and it don't have the same articulation if you know what I mean...lol. Appreciate the replies fellas!