Great point, but I havn't heard anthing about this new bike bring watered down..... I am just really confused as to why they didn't do this with a 450.... anyone have any ideas? Maybe not watered down but just look at these comparisons Dry Weight - 2008 WR250R 276 lb (CA 278 lb) 2008 WR250F 234 lb That is 42 lbs!!!! (44 if your in CA) - Do you guys realize how much weight that is when talking about any kind of trail bike Ground Clearance - 2008 WR250R 11.8 in 2008 WR250F 14.4 in We really don't owe Yamaha anything.... I've been buying Yamahas for the whole family for close to 9 years.... just put a f:censored:ing plate on the WR!!!! Don't give me something like this new WRR, am I supposed to be able to buy one of those and go out and compete with EXC's? When discussing racing, I don't care about a plate but I do a TON of free riding all over in nat'l forests, DNR land, you name it and big loops are hard to do with out a plate or poaching some road, it would be nice to have a plate... I live in WA state and all I see (probably 80%) out there on the trails and the track is KTM.... someone mentioned in here that Yamaha is selling plenty of bikes without the plate.... hah! They are getting their asses handed to them in the 450 market by KTM and even Husky is catching up to them all because of the plate... the answer is not this WRR/X. Having said all of this, I believe there is a market for this bike but it's not the same market that is out buying KTM's and Husky's because of the plate.