I looked on TT for a thread but could only find one from 2002. I am going to buy myself a 08' YZ450F when I return from Afghanistan in April. My dillema is that all of the local dealers will not come off of MSRP a penny. The reason is that you have 30,000 troops here that come home from "the war" with 25k + in there pocket and go in and say "I want that one, Here is my cash" So I am going to travel to buy it but I have never bought a new motorcycle before and just wonder what is considered a fair deal for both me and the dealer. Also is it better to pay with cash or not? Thanks for your help guys.